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    Come to think of it. It is quite an irony. Racism involves racial feelings of superiority. What abt this? Cameraism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helmiz View Post
    I'm proud of my D40. Photos don't turn out very nice or pro quality but at least I enjoyed it.
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    hey helmiz... you got one of the most important ingredients to photography... and it is that you enjoy it!
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    I ignore him anyway. It's not the equipment. It's the Passion.
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    Whenever my friends or relatives who are not into photography, exclaim that I'm quite pro (I carry the 30D with grip, white L lens to go with), I'd tell them that it's because I'm not a good photographer, that i need to carry such equipment to make me look competent la, it is a sort of compensatory behaviour. :P

    I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling this way, many people are too. So, TS, don't worry about these people, just go get some great photos for yourself. A good pic is most of the time, not what it means to others, but more importantly, what it means to you.

    So just enjoy yourself out there taking those meaningful photos.

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    Personally I haven't encountered such things before.. but its a depressing feeling once you do..

    Anyway, just ignore them or even better, give them a smile! At least show them you are the gracious sort, and they will perhaps be thinking twice about their course of action.
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    wow many insights into this acts of equipment discrimination.. anyways my two sense worth as a newbie.. i think its definately not so much the equipment that matters cuz even an out of focus image taken with a camera hp might look artistic to some.. and i think photography is a gradual learning process so yea as long as u've got the heart to improve i say heck care la.. =) cheers to those guys using "old" cameras and producing great work.

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    *cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by helmiz View Post
    I'm proud of my D40. Photos don't turn out very nice or pro quality but at least I enjoyed it.
    Enjoying the process is important and it is an important ingredient to getting better pics. However, dun compromise on the chase for qlty just because u are just enjoying the process.

    There will be a time that u will realise that u have hit the ceiling with your existing equipment. That time is the time to upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CreaXion View Post
    Enjoying the process is important and it is an important ingredient to getting better pics. However, dun compromise on the chase for qlty just because u are just enjoying the process.

    There will be a time that u will realise that u have hit the ceiling with your existing equipment. That time is the time to upgrade.
    I agree fully with you also. Nothing beats more than enjoying new equipments, hehe

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    To TS and pp here who went thru this kind of situation before,

    My personal experience was I had encounters with pros who scorned at my equipment when I shot together with them for certain events. Imagine D70s with Sigma lens while these jokers carry big guns. However, I will always take it as a challenge. The challenge and confidence that your photos will be better than theirs. It is actually quite fulfilling to know that you can achieve certain qualities with limited equipment.

    I once encountered this joker who used two high end bodies with big lenses and so forth. He was shooting with me. He was showing me all his photos and when I looked at it, "Oh my god! What the heck is he shooting and the colours! All yellow!" But I just smiled and deep in my heart, I know at least I have achieved more than this photographer.

    But note that if u turned pro, big equipment would give u more credibility in the eyes of the client. That day, I was looking at some photos of my friend. He brought lights and everything. When I saw the photo, I asked him why the need to bring such equipment. His skill would allow him to take such photos with his external flash. His answer was, if he did not bring his gear, that would not allow him to justify how much he charge the client. Clients would complain. Clients expect such services and whether necessary or not, is immaterial to the client. It is the perception that drives the market sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CreaXion View Post
    To TS and pp here who went thru this kind of situation before,

    My personal experience was I had encounters with pros who scorned at my equipment when I shot together with them for certain events. Imagine D70s with Sigma lens while these jokers carry big guns. However, I will always take it as a challenge. The challenge and confidence that your photos will be better than theirs. It is actually quite fulfilling to know that you can achieve certain qualities with limited equipment.

    I once encountered this joker who used two high end bodies with big lenses and so forth. He was shooting with me. He was showing me all his photos and when I looked at it, "Oh my god! What the heck is he shooting and the colours! All yellow!" But I just smiled and deep in my heart, I know at least I have achieved more than this photographer.

    But note that if u turned pro, big equipment would give u more credibility in the eyes of the client. That day, I was looking at some photos of my friend. He brought lights and everything. When I saw the photo, I asked him why the need to bring such equipment. His skill would allow him to take such photos with his external flash. His answer was, if he did not bring his gear, that would not allow him to justify how much he charge the client. Clients would complain. Clients expect such services and whether necessary or not, is immaterial to the client. It is the perception that drives the market sometimes.
    you shld go like, "omg i expect better from you"
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcesstunes View Post
    I guess i have no choice but to post this matter here.

    I'm new to digital photography and it has become a passion throughout the experience. Recently i encounter something ugly and i think it's a disgrace to the world of photography.

    Here's the situation. Recently i went for a walkabout over at Geylang (to catch and experience the fasting month atmosphere) to do some street photography. I bumped into a group of photographers and decide to make friends with them. I started talking to them and their 1st impression is what saddens me. They look at me in arrogance and they continue talking among themselves. I get their 'signals' and walk away. But that's not the point i post this thread.

    I start taking photos and they were just a few feet away. They look at me and laugh. I thought they started to lighten up but they were laughing about my equipment (i'm using a 300D). I check and examine my camera if there's something wrong with it. But before i could examine, i overheard them talking, "that guy is so outdated. he thinks he can take good pictures with that crap? we're glad we're equip with this (they're using 40D, D200 and some L lens". I was disheartened.

    That doesn't dimoralize me because i know "photography is not about equipment, it's the person behind it" or that saying is gone? What saddens me is that there is some photographers out there think it's all about the equipment.
    I got some expensive equipment than you but I am shooting lousy photos!
    So, just keep on shooting, no worry.
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    k I think I had being guilty of that too.

    I guess it's all in the hormones?

    Nowadays I try not to be judgmental. And just shoot and discuss.

    It's through sharing of information and ideas that people learn and grow.

    A old guy can learn new tricks from a noob, a noob can learn old tricks from an oldie

    It's all about passion and producing great photos.

    Or going through the journey to do so

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    And worst come to worst,

    We can all blame God, Buddha, Allah and other creator gods etc. for making man the way it is...

    And that's also the reason why the economy grows =)

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    i didn't read through all 5 pages of comment, perhaps only on the 1st page. but with slight different perspective to most opinions, i would just like to say, even if they are right, or even if they are better, or they are professionals, or they can shoot better, if they show bad attitudes and ill manners, it simply means that they have bad attitudes and ill manners.

    in many fields, people who do better can potentially behave badly, not that meaning that people who performs better is more likely to show bad attitudes or people who performs less well is not likely to show bad attitudes. the bottom point is no matter who these people are, or if they are good, or whether they are right technically, it does not give them the rights to treat others badly. and for such people, you can ignore them or even look down on them.

    and without further need to illustrate, 5 pages of comments is enough to tell you, that you have enough backing in terms of moral support and agreement that good photographers with decent and appropriate equipments can produce good pictures, for the equipment is not usually the bottleneck for getting good pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gundugundu View Post
    I'm beginning to suspect they are "fashion" photographers
    Don't be affected by them. Let your passion overpower their brainless comments.

    u mean "equipment fanatic" photographer.. !!! 100%

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    equipment wankers

    let them be lo i also faced this issue before

    "hahaha look! 350D w/ kit lense!" when i first started out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bliondi View Post
    equipment wankers

    let them be lo i also faced this issue before

    "hahaha look! 350D w/ kit lense!" when i first started out
    sorry

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    Hmm. i remembered my very first event shoot was done with a 18-55 kit lens with a borrowed flash on a 300D (which i still use for day to day shots, btw).

    smile. =)

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    hey thanks guys for the encouragements and advices.... hopefully i won't be encountering these kind of people again..... by the way, Happy Fasting to Muslims and non=muslims.
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    Hey, don't be disheartened really. I'm also shooting with a 300D, which is a hand-me down from my brother, and I'm quite pleased with the outcome.

    Chin up! There are nice people, and not so nice people in the world. Keep the good
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