s9000

24th April 2003

Heard S9000 has very good offer in CP.....

Fundee · 24th April 2003

what's the offer...where u heard it from ???
i'm kinda interested....

Neo · 24th April 2003

I'm looking for a S9000 printer, so after reading this thread I went to Cathay to check it out. The sales guy told me that I can buy the Canon S9000 for only $599 if I buy ANY digital camera. I asked him if it is really any brand also can, and he say yah.

I asked around and the S9000 printer is selling for $799 at Funan, so this is a saving of $200. So maybe I'll get my fren to buy a IXUS or Coolpix, then I can hop on to get my dream printer. Heheheh!

By the way, saw that Cathay also selling the Epson 2100, costing $1480. Tempting... but feedback from my frens about the Canon S9000 is very good and fast. Somemore the Epson cost $881 more! I very broke and cheapskate now... so I tink the Canon will be a better choice for me.

Buy... buy... buy...

Watcher · 24th April 2003

You can get the Epson for $1350 at South Asia; the price is on the box itself. As for the quality of S9000 vs 2100, You can go and get them to print you one. I had thought that Canon was better, but I heard more design house go for Epson. Read the various reviews of the Epson 2100/2200 and see it lor. The price difference must have a reason...

Neo · 25th April 2003

Agree... a lot of photographers thought I was crazy to consider Canon over the Epson. I actually drag two of my friends to the Canon demo center at Funan to try out the S9000 with our own images. The staff there were slightly reluctant to print at first, but then they saw our D60 they knew we were no trying to get free prints! The first print got slight bending, so they "clean" the print head and did another one (A3 somemore!). My other two die-hard Epson friends nearly jaw drop when they saw the speed and quality of the S9000, cuz one of them bought a Epson 1290 and always complain about the slow speed and ink drinking.

We also brought our photos to Epson later to try on the 2100. The quality is the same as the Canon, but it is much slower (about 25 mins in the highest quality compared to 3 mins on the Canon). So after seeing the demo I decided to go for the Canon S9000 because it's more in my budget. Also can't tell the difference in quality between the two brands (even to my die-hard friends), so no point spending so much more on the Epson. But one thing to note is that Epson claim 75 years the photo will not fade. Canon claim 25 years...

Overall I'm very impressed with the quality and speed of the Canon, which is why I'm going for it. I think a lot of photographers still think Epson is the best printer, but they should also check out the new printers from Canon or HP.

Now... should I buy the S9000 or i950? Sianz...

Watcher · 25th April 2003

Actually, the gamut of the Epson is larger than even AdobeRGB. So current crop of DSLR cannot directly produce something that will show a difference, especially when the D60 only do sRGB. The best is to shoot an image in RAW (with large spread of green), convert and after enhancement in say, ProPhoto RGB or even LAB gamut, then print and see the difference...

25th April 2003

[quote]Originally posted by Neo
Agree... a lot of photographers thought I was crazy to consider Canon over the Epson. I actually drag two of my friends to the Canon demo center at Funan to try out the S9000 with our own images. The staff there were slightly reluctant to print at first, but then they saw our D60 they knew we were no trying to get free prints! The first print got slight bending, so they "clean" the print head and did another one (A3 somemore!). My other two die-hard Epson friends nearly jaw drop when they saw the speed and quality of the S9000, cuz one of them bought a Epson 1290 and always complain about the slow speed and ink drinking.

We also brought our photos to Epson later to try on the 2100. The quality is the same as the Canon, but it is much slower (about 25 mins in the highest quality compared to 3 mins on the Canon). So after seeing the demo I decided to go for the Canon S9000 because it's more in my budget. Also can't tell the difference in quality between the two brands (even to my die-hard friends), so no point spending so much more on the Epson. But one thing to note is that Epson claim 75 years the photo will not fade. Canon claim 25 years...

Overall I'm very impressed with the quality and speed of the Canon, which is why I'm going for it. I think a lot of photographers still think Epson is the best printer, but they should also check out the new printers from Canon or HP.

Now... should I buy the S9000 or i950? Sianz...

buy buy buy.....S9000 can go A3 leh...........somemore with the speed........drooling

Avatar · 25th April 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Neo
Overall I'm very impressed with the quality and speed of the Canon, which is why I'm going for it. I think a lot of photographers still think Epson is the best printer, but they should also check out the new printers from Canon or HP.

Now... should I buy the S9000 or i950? Sianz...

Er, excuse me, do you mean to say the S9000 is a new model?

I don't think so, it is actually quite an old model, as old as the 1290 if I am not mistakened.

Some months back, I went on a testing spree to pit it against the Epson 1290 and 2100. Now, if you ask me, it ain't anywhere close to the true quality of the 2100 and is IMO, closer to the output level of the 1290.

For a better comparison, try printing your pictures tagged with AdobeRGB color profile and while you are at it, try printing some good bw prints, compare all the prints and you will know why the 2100 is by far, the most accurate and versatile A3 printer to date. The bw prints it can deliver simply blowed me away.

Btw, the S9000 is known to have some serious banding problem, maybe you will like to take a closer look into this issue before taking the plunge. Checkout these more recent comments from dpreview's forums for more user insights.

Banding issues links:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=4765198
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=4710495

More recent postings on this issues in Dpreview forum's search results
http://search.dpreview.com/forums/se...ing&forum=1003

Neo · 25th April 2003

Hi Avatar,

I dun think GDA think that it's a new model... it is newer than the Epson 1290, but it has been around for about 6-8 months at least already (how else to get such a good price?).

I search the net for reviews and comments about the A3 printers, and found that many users have reported the same experiences. The Epson 1290 drinks ink, has no individual ink cartridge, is quite slow, and suffers from print head clogging. The S9000 like you say has occassional print head banding, but most of the time can be cleared after print head adjustment using the driver setting. It seems that all printers have their own problems, so got to live with it (whether Epson or Canon).

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=3470778

Anyway, I called up the guys at Canon tis morning and asked them about the printhead cleaning issue. Guess what... the print head is under warranty too (in Singapore) so they say if I got any problem with banding they will change a new print head for me. So I feel quite safe... somemore they will come to my place to change it for free! I'm also impressed with the sample print I printed on the S9000... no banding from what I see...

I think some people will still insist on Epson printer. But for me, this is a good deal for a printer that I've been looking for a long time. Once I get the S9000 printer, I'll post my comments on the performance.

Meanwhile, I'll keep on surfing for more info...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=4406557

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=3634989

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=4440797

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=3468430

Now I'm using my friend's D60... wondering if it can print at A3 size without pixel. Can anybody pls advise?

Adam Goi · 25th April 2003

Moving this thread to Printers and Scanner.

Watcher · 26th April 2003

I second Avatar's comments. Note that D30, D60 do NOT have AdobeRGB, and the 10D has a poor implementation and even then, many Canonites don't use it. There would not be significant difference if the gamut is in sRGB. Manipulate the images substantially in ProPhoto RGB gamut, like setting shadow and white point in CMYK, using LAB mode to fine tune, etc. Print on the top quality matt paper... The difference will be there...

Fundee · 1st May 2003

just bought the s9000 from CP. when i open-up found that the paper rest is no where to be found....do i need to buy it saperately ???

1Ds · 1st May 2003

mine come with it in the box.

Fundee · 3rd May 2003

guess what ????....went back to CP regarding the paper rest...they give me one without any question ask.....what would u call that ????...i've been patronising for dunno how many years, their service is still constantly good.......
GREAT SERVICE CP...
I'LL BE BACK....:

Neo · 3rd May 2003

Just to update everyone... I'm now the proud owner of a Canon S9000 printer. However, the first image printed is not my photo. It is my friend's picture who is shot on the EOS 1Ds so we can test the A3 print quality.

The quality is very very good, and the print is very very fast! I will spent this weekend printing all my stuff. No banding problem at all, but keep my fingers crossed.

Also bought a pack of a new Canon photo paper called MP-101, after asking to see the sample prints. It has a matte surface, different from the PPP I buy. Going to print black and white pictures on it, cuz the samples look very good on b/w images. It is very cheap also... $19.90 for 50 pcs. Anybody try it before already?

roygoh · 5th May 2003

Like to share my experience on S9000 printer.

I have had this printer for a year.

Regarding banding, I found that banding is related to the condition of the system. When I want to print, I ways make sure that I reboot my system, and go straight to the printing application. Excessive memory and swap file activities before the printing job will increase the likelyhood of banding.

My system is a Pentium 650 MHz with 384MB RAM.

Here are some examples:

1. When printing a 20 inch panorama from PS, I started doing editing another picture. The memory swapping caused the printing to slow down. On examining the print, I noticed banding on the second half of the print, while the first half is OK.

2. When printing the same 20 inch panorama, I initialed a print of 4 copies from PS. The last print had banding while the first 3 were OK.

3. After doing some image processing on PS, I printed an 8X10 and there was banding, and the print quality looks like it is printed in draft mode. I cleaned the print head and re-checked all my printer settings in the print driver. Everything was OK. Tried another print, still the same banding and poor quality. I reboot my system, went straight to PS, and printed the same file again, the print is perfect again.

My conclusions are:

1. Either WinXP or the Canon driver screws up the printing if the system is or has been very busy, resulting in banding.

2. Printing large prints non stop seems to stress (overheat?) the print head and results in banding.

So if you run into any intermittent banding problem, try to reboot your system, let the print head "rest" for a while, and try again.

Hope this helps.

- Roy

roygoh · 5th May 2003

By the way, Neo, the S9000 is a great printer (when it is working OK). However, it is quite picky on the paper. If you intend to use any paper other than Canon's Photo Paper Pro, I am pretty sure that you will need to create a custom profile for the paper. This also applies if you want to use 3rd party inks.

erwinx · 5th May 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by roygoh
Like to share my experience on S9000 printer.

I have had this printer for a year.

Regarding banding, I found that banding is related to the condition of the system. When I want to print, I ways make sure that I reboot my system, and go straight to the printing application. Excessive memory and swap file activities before the printing job will increase the likelyhood of banding.

My system is a Pentium 650 MHz with 384MB RAM.

Here are some examples:

1. When printing a 20 inch panorama from PS, I started doing editing another picture. The memory swapping caused the printing to slow down. On examining the print, I noticed banding on the second half of the print, while the first half is OK.

2. When printing the same 20 inch panorama, I initialed a print of 4 copies from PS. The last print had banding while the first 3 were OK.

3. After doing some image processing on PS, I printed an 8X10 and there was banding, and the print quality looks like it is printed in draft mode. I cleaned the print head and re-checked all my printer settings in the print driver. Everything was OK. Tried another print, still the same banding and poor quality. I reboot my system, went straight to PS, and printed the same file again, the print is perfect again.

My conclusions are:

1. Either WinXP or the Canon driver screws up the printing if the system is or has been very busy, resulting in banding.

2. Printing large prints non stop seems to stress (overheat?) the print head and results in banding.

So if you run into any intermittent banding problem, try to reboot your system, let the print head "rest" for a while, and try again.

Hope this helps.

- Roy

Thanks Roy for the useful information. That would probably apply to A4 size Canon's as well I guess. I haven't had banding problems with my s800 I suppose because I don't print non-stop and I have sufficient system resources.

$599 for the s9000 is a great deal - maybe in 3-4 months time the Sim Lim price will drop to around this (just like s800 -$400++ to $299) without needing to buy a digicam with it.

roygoh · 5th May 2003

Quote:

Originally posted by erwinx
Thanks Roy for the useful information. That would probably apply to A4 size Canon's as well I guess. I haven't had banding problems with my s800 I suppose because I don't print non-stop and I have sufficient system resources.

$599 for the s9000 is a great deal - maybe in 3-4 months time the Sim Lim price will drop to around this (just like s800 -$400++ to $299) without needing to buy a digicam with it.

$599 is definitely a good price.

I got mine last May for US$450. I combined effort with my colleague who was getting a G2 so that we could get the $100 rebate from Canon. Unfortunately, we procrastinated in sendind in the rebate request and missed teh opportunity.

By the way, my guess is that if you use profiles, you will also have a higher chance of screwing up the driver. I know that when using QImage or other ICC capable software, the profile has to be disabled in the printer driver otherwise the profile will be applied twice.

- Roy

24th April 2003	#1
GDA Guests Posts: n/a	s9000 Heard S9000 has very good offer in CP.....

25th April 2003	#6
Watcher Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The heart of the Abyss Posts: 2,319	Actually, the gamut of the Epson is larger than even AdobeRGB. So current crop of DSLR cannot directly produce something that will show a difference, especially when the D60 only do sRGB. The best is to shoot an image in RAW (with large spread of green), convert and after enhancement in say, ProPhoto RGB or even LAB gamut, then print and see the difference... Last edited by Watcher; 25th April 2003 at 01:41 AM.

1st May 2003	#12
Fundee Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UP NORTH Posts: 714	just bought the s9000 from CP. when i open-up found that the paper rest is no where to be found....do i need to buy it saperately ??? Last edited by Fundee; 1st May 2003 at 01:57 AM.

5th May 2003	#16
roygoh Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Northwest Posts: 5,042	Like to share my experience on S9000 printer. I have had this printer for a year. Regarding banding, I found that banding is related to the condition of the system. When I want to print, I ways make sure that I reboot my system, and go straight to the printing application. Excessive memory and swap file activities before the printing job will increase the likelyhood of banding. My system is a Pentium 650 MHz with 384MB RAM. Here are some examples: 1. When printing a 20 inch panorama from PS, I started doing editing another picture. The memory swapping caused the printing to slow down. On examining the print, I noticed banding on the second half of the print, while the first half is OK. 2. When printing the same 20 inch panorama, I initialed a print of 4 copies from PS. The last print had banding while the first 3 were OK. 3. After doing some image processing on PS, I printed an 8X10 and there was banding, and the print quality looks like it is printed in draft mode. I cleaned the print head and re-checked all my printer settings in the print driver. Everything was OK. Tried another print, still the same banding and poor quality. I reboot my system, went straight to PS, and printed the same file again, the print is perfect again. My conclusions are: 1. Either WinXP or the Canon driver screws up the printing if the system is or has been very busy, resulting in banding. 2. Printing large prints non stop seems to stress (overheat?) the print head and results in banding. So if you run into any intermittent banding problem, try to reboot your system, let the print head "rest" for a while, and try again. Hope this helps. - Roy __________________ As complexity rises, precise statements lose meaning and meaningful statements lose precision.

5th May 2003	#17
roygoh Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Northwest Posts: 5,042	By the way, Neo, the S9000 is a great printer (when it is working OK). However, it is quite picky on the paper. If you intend to use any paper other than Canon's Photo Paper Pro, I am pretty sure that you will need to create a custom profile for the paper. This also applies if you want to use 3rd party inks. __________________ As complexity rises, precise statements lose meaning and meaningful statements lose precision.

24th April 2003	#3
Neo Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 947	I'm looking for a S9000 printer, so after reading this thread I went to Cathay to check it out. The sales guy told me that I can buy the Canon S9000 for only $599 if I buy ANY digital camera. I asked him if it is really any brand also can, and he say yah. I asked around and the S9000 printer is selling for $799 at Funan, so this is a saving of $200. So maybe I'll get my fren to buy a IXUS or Coolpix, then I can hop on to get my dream printer. Heheheh! By the way, saw that Cathay also selling the Epson 2100, costing $1480. Tempting... but feedback from my frens about the Canon S9000 is very good and fast. Somemore the Epson cost $881 more! I very broke and cheapskate now... so I tink the Canon will be a better choice for me. Buy... buy... buy...

25th April 2003	#10
Adam Goi ClubSNAP Idol Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Jalan Suka Posts: 5,321	Moving this thread to Printers and Scanner.

26th April 2003	#11
Watcher Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The heart of the Abyss Posts: 2,319	I second Avatar's comments. Note that D30, D60 do NOT have AdobeRGB, and the 10D has a poor implementation and even then, many Canonites don't use it. There would not be significant difference if the gamut is in sRGB. Manipulate the images substantially in ProPhoto RGB gamut, like setting shadow and white point in CMYK, using LAB mode to fine tune, etc. Print on the top quality matt paper... The difference will be there...

1st May 2003	#13
1Ds Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 471	mine come with it in the box.

3rd May 2003	#14
Fundee Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UP NORTH Posts: 714	guess what ????....went back to CP regarding the paper rest...they give me one without any question ask.....what would u call that ????...i've been patronising for dunno how many years, their service is still constantly good....... GREAT SERVICE CP... I'LL BE BACK....: