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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    if u think that is enticing enuff for u, go over and change ur nationality la.
    Hey bother when you want to "go over"?

    I can intro cheesecake-loving Malaysian gals for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    You can also choose to go the countries with low population and become their reproductive machine.
    Is that why you went to Australia? How many kids you have now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanyewkay View Post
    firstly.. do we need all these extras?
    - OHP to visualiser? Necessary? Havard is still using CHALK BOARDS.
    I'm not sure about the rest, but this is a good move. I've know some of them to write on the transparency while on the ohp... not very good for eyesight.

    Of course lappy + projection would be a better combi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    I'm not sure about the rest, but this is a good move. I've know some of them to write on the transparency while on the ohp... not very good for eyesight.

    Of course lappy + projection would be a better combi.
    Writing on the OHP actually has advantages, you can actually 'see' the 'thinking process' step by step, this can also be done through the computer with Powerpoint........

    but I do see people showing a whole complete (final) overview, while not showing the individual steps, instead they just use a pointer to talk about the steps......not so clear for some people.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    Hey bother when you want to "go over"?

    I can intro cheesecake-loving Malaysian gals for you.
    u intro MILK-LOVING gal to me before too leh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yanyewkay View Post
    firstly.. do we need all these extras?
    - OHP to visualiser? Necessary? Havard is still using CHALK BOARDS.
    - Tear down old schs to build new ones? I see nothing wrong with older school buildings. England and US has got even older school buildings than us and they are in no way more backward.
    - Revise teachers pay so that they can maintain a reasonable teacher-student ratio?
    Teacher's pay is always revised UPWARDS while the teacher student ratio DOWNWARDS.
    This means we need to hire MORE teachers. I was taught in a neighbourhood school with 1 teacher to 46 students usually. We are all doing fine and quite a number exceptionally well. It's not the teachers, it's the students.
    Firstly, I'm first to admit I don't know for sure, to make a substantiated, sound, correct and flawless judgment, that whether 'do we need all these extras'

    Which is why I mentioned I don't agree with how they're spending all the time. But there's no doubt they're spending on education. And a lot, I must say. Necessarily or not, I'm too tiny a frog to have the holistic outlook of the education.

    Before you rebut for the sake of rebuttal. Are you saying public education in Singapore is expensive, or unaffordable for the masses? Or you simply feel some of the expenditure is wasteful? Remember that the thread is started by a lamentation of how Malaysia has "free education" and how depressing it is for him by comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongsien View Post
    Is that why you went to Australia? How many kids you have now?
    None so far.

    They don't want an Asian polluting Aussie genes.

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    Quantity Vs. Quality

    All need to be spoonfed and told what to do......Enterprising? Hardly

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinken View Post
    When we're just talking about 'free', we're just talking about the quantitative aspects, right?

    To put things in perspective, if the expectation of the quality of 'free education and books' is low enough, Singapore can be doing it too. Given the funds that pour into education each year.

    How they keep revising teachers pay so that they can maintain a reasonable teacher-student ratio
    How they tear down old school buildings to build new ones so that infrastructure is conducive
    How they update the teaching facilities, like replacing OHP with visualizers, like increasing number of computers, like making provision for subsidised computer ownership for low income families... the list goes on and on
    How they set aside funds for training people in education so that their knowledge and expertise, even if not at implementation level, is always up to date

    I always marvel at how money is spent on the education pie. While I'm not in agreement with all the micro ways of spending, I'm definitely assured that they're not neglecting 'providing education' at all.

    Want it free? Just provide the basics. One teacher (no need to be too qualified), 50 students. Forget about all the indoor sports hall, computers, enrichment classes and what nots, just build rooms with ventilation to house them. I'm pretty certain they will even be money left over. Is that what you want? Oh, or was it you want everything better, but want it free?

    We're in a different stage of development. The challenges are different.
    I mentioned that Malaysia is providing free education, and many start to question about the quality of education and even suggesting migration.
    Are these the solutions to the education problems?

    Is it fair to say Malaysia is giving free education because the standard of education provider is lower than ours? Why not we see it this way, a developing nation is trying to fulfill its obligation to its citizens by giving free education to all, while maintaining the current standards of education. Can we assume the pay of the teachers and qualities of the textbooks remain the same? If yes, then why are we making statements like “oh, their quality is poorer, so they can afford to give education” “oh, if we do away with this and do away with that, we can also give free education”.

    To maintain a high standard of education, we need to spend a lot of money in providing education. This is statement true?
    Yes, we do spend a lot of money to air condition the class room, to build indoor stadium with carpet grass.
    Does this raise the standard of our education?
    It is like saying, “If I give the student a Nike Air Max, that will make him/her run like a Kenyan.” “Give him a Mont blanc pen and he will be articulated”

    I believe the success of an education lies in the methods of teaching, as well as, cultivating good values. We need only a chalk and a blackboard to do this. People will argue we need to have the latest technology to excel. But today’s world is ever changing and at a fast pace. What we learnt yesteryear will become obsolete today. What matter most, is to equip our students with ability to handle changes and the basic skills to keep learning new things.

    Asking those who think our education standard is high, Why are we always sending our brightest to overseas for education?
    Why so many of our students have to travel overseas for higher education?

    Not too long a ago, there is a wide discussion about our education system.
    Generally, it is agreed that our education system has failed us. We have been training batch after batch of students who are only good at beating the system. Our students lack the skill of critical thinking and are not well articulated when compared to the western counterparts. We may kick as’s in international math and science competitions. But where are our rocket scientists?

    Do we need to pay the full price of education to get world class education?
    What is the full price then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    I mentioned that Malaysia is providing free education, and many start to question about the quality of education and even suggesting migration.
    Are these the solutions to the education problems?

    Is it fair to say Malaysia is giving free education because the standard of education provider is lower than ours? Why not we see it this way, a developing nation is trying to fulfill its obligation to its citizens by giving free education to all, while maintaining the current standards of education. Can we assume the pay of the teachers and qualities of the textbooks remain the same? If yes, then why are we making statements like “oh, their quality is poorer, so they can afford to give education” “oh, if we do away with this and do away with that, we can also give free education”.

    To maintain a high standard of education, we need to spend a lot of money in providing education. This is statement true?
    Yes, we do spend a lot of money to air condition the class room, to build indoor stadium with carpet grass.
    Does this raise the standard of our education?
    It is like saying, “If I give the student a Nike Air Max, that will make him/her run like a Kenyan.” “Give him a Mont blanc pen and he will be articulated”

    I believe the success of an education lies in the methods of teaching, as well as, cultivating good values. We need only a chalk and a blackboard to do this. People will argue we need to have the latest technology to excel. But today’s world is ever changing and at a fast pace. What we learnt yesteryear will become obsolete today. What matter most, is to equip our students with ability to handle changes and the basic skills to keep learning new things.

    Asking those who think our education standard is high, Why are we always sending our brightest to overseas for education?
    Why so many of our students have to travel overseas for higher education?

    Not too long a ago, there is a wide discussion about our education system.
    Generally, it is agreed that our education system has failed us. We have been training batch after batch of students who are only good at beating the system. Our students lack the skill of critical thinking and are not well articulated when compared to the western counterparts. We may kick as’s in international math and science competitions. But where are our rocket scientists?

    Do we need to pay the full price of education to get world class education?
    What is the full price then?
    I am closing this thread.

    I have warned you numerous times before and I honestly do not see why you insist on coming into CS and using the resources here for your bashing of the system. If you are seriously that unsatisfied, go somewhere else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    A developing nation is providing free education and free text book.

    I seriously think I need a psychiatrist to help me deal with the trauma brought upon by our progressive nation and a shrewdest Financial planner to help me utilise the progressive packages without having to suffer negative equity at the end.

    I really need to find peace.
    I am honestly sick and tired of your whining about such issues here.I have told you before and will tell you again. This is a PHOTOGRAPHY forum. How hard is it to understand? You want to seek psychiatric help? Please do so else where.

    Thank you.

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