In-body IS and Lens OIS Don't Work Together

[retrovox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPdy5...elated&search=

[olymac]

Originally Posted by retrovox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPdy5...elated&search=

What is the point? If one can give you 2 stops, is it likely that a combination will give you 4 stops ?

Analogy like eat Maggi Chilli together with Tabasco ......

[mpenza]

good demo of the various IS mechanism. it kind of makes sense too.... two different mechanisms working for the same purpose without knowledge of each other will negate each other. if the manufacturers could do a "linkup" of both, then both might work together.

[olymac]

Personally, I think the in-lens OIS prob will work better for the longer lens .... whereas in body IS works best with the shorter lens (?<300mm). It also helps keep the lens more compact. Of course the more compact lens allow for better ergonomics and hence less shake, too ......

[cjtune]

Originally Posted by olymac Personally, I think the in-lens OIS prob will work better for the longer lens .... whereas in body IS works best with the shorter lens (?<300mm). It also helps keep the lens more compact. Of course the more compact lens allow for better ergonomics and hence less shake, too ......

There is a study of the E-510's in-body IS that hints to a trend of it being more effective for longer focal lengths:
http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/oly-e/e510-is.html

But I find that my Powershot A570's OIS is more effective than my E-510's IS at very slow shutter speeds. I can even get keepers for exposures of 1/2 seconds! (albeit one out of maybe 10 sequential shots; but haven't been achieved by my E-510 yet).

[mpenza]

i get pretty good results too for 0.5s/0.6s with the Canon IS lenses (28-135 and 17-85 IS). but an inbody IS would have given me stabilisation with any lens which will definitely be a bonus.

[cjtune]

But the IS itself can gain extra stabilisation from good holding techniques.
I can rely on my E-510's IS almost all of the time for 2-stops advantage, and that 2-stops has been consistently reported by everyone, everywhere.
But to get up to 4-stops for long lenses, hand-held and when standing, I usually rest my 50-200 on my left shoulder/triceps. Not guaranteed to have 4-stops advantage on the first shot and awkward for elevations more than 10-degrees but it works (1 keeper per 3 to 10 burst shots taken).

Example (7.5MB), shot at 200mm (400mm, 35mm-film equiv.) at 1/20 sec:
http://www.box.net/shared/82i47ynxfr
(scene was 40-50m from where I stood)

[olymac]

Originally Posted by cjtune But the IS itself can gain extra stabilisation from good holding techniques. I can rely on my E-510's IS almost all of the time for 2-stops advantage, and that 2-stops has been consistently reported by everyone, everywhere. But to get up to 4-stops for long lenses, hand-held and when standing, I usually rest my 50-200 on my left shoulder/triceps. Not guaranteed to have 4-stops advantage on the first shot and awkward for elevations more than 10-degrees but it works (1 keeper per 3 to 10 burst shots taken). Example (7.5MB), shot at 200mm (400mm, 35mm-film equiv.) at 1/20 sec: http://www.box.net/shared/82i47ynxfr (scene was 40-50m from where I stood)

Aiyah .... once start talking about hands and techniques ..... even before days of IS, some photographers will always get better results than others because they inherently have more steady hands .... someone I know takes consistently better pics - with tripods even for speeds of 1/30s with 50 mm lens ....

[yokechye]

Originally Posted by olymac Analogy like eat Maggi Chilli together with Tabasco ......

you nv know... some ppl have such weird taste. and i know one

[olymac]

Originally Posted by yokechye you nv know... some ppl have such weird taste. and i know one

Never said these people dun exist .... will also be the kind who'll use both the in-lens IS and the body IS together .....

[microcosm]

I had a long discussion with some of the folks in here about IS... and while I applaud the technology developed for IS, I personally still prefer to go old skool to develop photographer skills to take better pictures than to rely too much on technology.

But that said, any implementation of technology is pushing the gear forward in terms of developing tools to help the photographer take better pictures. We have AF now, motordrives, ESP metering, auto ISO, SSWF, SWD, etc. These were not existent in my early days of photography. The best thing for me at that time was centre weighted metering, and that came as a very expensive upgrade in the prism head for the Nikon F2AS!

But I do think that IS is getting better implemented, unfortunately it is not intelligent enough and sometimes it works against me! I was frustrated when I took out a IS enabled camera for a spin recently.

[olymac]

Originally Posted by microcosm ........ These were not existent in my early days of photography. The best thing for me at that time was centre weighted metering, and that came as a very expensive upgrade in the prism head for the Nikon F2AS!

Yes .... the F2AS Photomic ..... the first time I got to use the last all mechanical Nikon before arrival of the F3 was when I managed to borrow one for use during my sister's wedding .... and it was serious bragging rights in those days ....... in sec school, for that one day, we reminisce over it for months ....

[microcosm]

Originally Posted by olymac Yes .... the F2AS Photomic ..... the first time I got to use the last all mechanical Nikon before arrival of the F3 was when I managed to borrow one for use during my sister's wedding .... and it was serious bragging rights in those days ....... in sec school, for that one day, we reminisce over it for months ....

Ahhh... a fellow Nikon fan of the film days... then came the F3T and F4s... those were serious cameras! And not to mention the 70s Nikkor lenses! Sigh... too bad it is all Olympus for me now. The E-System is truly the best digital system for me in the digital era. At least this is what I believe. SWD will make for the focusing speed... something that I am looking forward to.

[olymac]

Originally Posted by microcosm Ahhh... a fellow Nikon fan of the film days... then came the F3T and F4s... those were serious cameras! And not to mention the 70s Nikkor lenses! Sigh... too bad it is all Olympus for me now. The E-System is truly the best digital system for me in the digital era. At least this is what I believe. SWD will make for the focusing speed... something that I am looking forward to.

I had great fantasies/agonies over whether to own the F2 body or the FM2 body ...... or the OM1/2 ..... or the Pentax MX/LX .... some people in my family (meaning can borrow) owned Nikons .... I believed in the K-mount .... the camera club of which I was Chair then owned several K-mount lens and all of us used Pentaxes/Chinons/Topcons/Prakticas sharing the lenses.

Fr the bottom of my heart and mind, the system that made the mosst sense then? The OM system .....

So an open system, from Olympus, with bodies and lenses with dimensions of the OM system .... it was a no brainer for me ....