Sorry sidetracked a bit.
Tonight, I was trying to "test" the security @ esplanade.
It's all started with a guy, fleeing from security outside esplanade and finally caught inside esplanade (in front of DBS ATM @ Ground floor) - this guy must be crazy lah to flee to inside of esplanade, sure kanna caught.
So after the cisco security handle the situation by holding the guy up, I started to take pics of them, and immediately, two of the cisco security approached me and speak loudly to me, asked me to delete my pics.
Actually my cam shutter speed set up was automatically set to low, hence blurry pics. The pics taking was intentionally executed to test em, whether they're gonna over-react on it.
I showed em my blurry pic and we parted ways after that.
The situation above proves that the cisco security responded over-acting-ly by asking me to delete my pics.
What do you think ?
Last edited by ahandre; 9th September 2007 at 01:23 AM.
ahandre (using Nikon & Sony Ericsson)
do anything you want but dont get caught lor.
They have no right to ask you to delete your pics, nor even a right to ask you to show them the pics. They dont have a right to detain you either (if they tried to).
Again, I'll suggest asking them for their name and identification if they try to be funny with you.
If they try to manhandle or detain you forcefully, then take out your hp and start videoing, and warn them that they may be liable for wrongly restraint/confinement (both of which are criminal offences) if they persist.
By the way, why was the guy fleeing?
Last edited by vince123123; 9th September 2007 at 03:22 AM.
They are simply over reacting.
It's not as if the MRT stations are special buildings with unique architectural features worth to be photographed like the Louvre/Taj Mahal/ or any other national monuments etc?
Most of the stations are underground, & those above grounds are not that spectacular.
Won't lose anything if one is not allowed to take pictures of MRT.
Last edited by foxwagon; 9th September 2007 at 06:03 AM.
if you just want to take a snapshot and move on, just do it and go. if you want to loiter around the place, take your own sweet time, take 20-30 shots, then go ask for permission. what's so difficult about that?
Last edited by eikin; 9th September 2007 at 12:28 PM.
if you think the MRT staff did you any wrong, then go report him/her and have that person condemned, go make a complaint to the authorities, go hire a lawyer and sue that person upside down. we don't even know exactly what happened to the persons in the news article.
Did every person who trafficks drugs get caught? Did every person who molests another get caught?
Just because they are not caught doesn't mean there isn't a system in place to catch them. It is already clear from SMRT's public statements as well as corroboration by anectodal accounts here what their position are.
The fact that some are or are not caught is beside the point.
Besides, there are accounts of people taking one shot and getting caught too. Just because you dont' get caught with a short exposure time does not mean that SMRT condones such activities. They are just unable to enforce their polices.
What rights? Rights as a photographer, or for that matter, a memeber of the public
What misinformatioN? Misinformation that SMRT staff have legal jurisdiction outside their MRT station amongst others.
Last edited by vince123123; 9th September 2007 at 01:36 PM.
You sure that the public (or perhaps its only just you) would go after SMRT and ask for an explanation on why soemone can shoot in the station for a long time, when an accident that happened to the photographer?
As for your second paragraph, there is no need to hire a lawyer sue anyone. You just have to know your rights and act accordingly. If they commit crimnal offences while attempting to enforce their questionable policies, then it would be an easy thing to make a police report and pursue criminal action without the need to incur expenses in hiring a lawyer.
since when did SMRT says that their staff have legal jurisdiction outside their MRT station amongst others? or is it your imagination that they are doing so?
if that is the case, then go ahead and call the police.
What about just standing in front of control station doing nothing but playing your PSP while waiting for your friend? They ask me to leave the station because I was loitering for more than 10 minutes near the control station (Harbour Front). I was not even taking any photographs plus I offered them to check my bag and my identification to them but they refuse but asked me to leave. I just wonder what is the purpose of having so many security cameras.
So I asked them where is the sign for "No loitering around at the control station for more than 10 minutes"? They couldn't comment on that but walk away quietly.........
So do you need permission to stand/loitering in the MRT control station for more than 10 minutes? Do they have any rights to asked me to leave the station when they could clearly see me I was standing playing my PSP quietly and not loitering. Plus, I was not the only one at the station standing more than 10 minutes.
If all MRT stations were to put up such signs as no photography, no loitering, no eating and so on, some people may follow it but even if they do put up do they have the absolute rights to detain you if you break the regulation?
Any comments on that?