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    Quote Originally Posted by blueskye168 View Post
    How would you:

    1)feel when "someone" with a "lower-quote gotten/taken the job"?

    2)would you beororleh?

    3)how would you "look/regards" orthose who give low-quotes and got the job?

    4)What will be or should be the next move/plan(it's consider low enough liao leh, already)?

    Thanks in advance.
    No intention of trying to be mischievous, just another thought.
    A lot of discussions on undercutting, what about the other way round?

    How would you:

    1)feel when "someone" with a "HIGHER-quote gotten/taken the job"?

    2)would you be angry or cool or jealous or suspicion of hanky-panky?

    3)how would you "respect/regards" those who give HIGH-quotes and got the job?
    just1book, no kidding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winsonapm View Post
    No intention of trying to be mischievous, just another thought.
    A lot of discussions on undercutting, what about the other way round?

    How would you:

    1)feel when "someone" with a "HIGHER-quote gotten/taken the job"?

    2)would you be angry or cool or jealous or suspicion of hanky-panky?

    3)how would you "respect/regards" those who give HIGH-quotes and got the job?
    Hey Winson, speaking with regards to the wedding photography arena

    1. I would celebrate. Life is easier for everyone when there is a photographer paving the way.
    2. I would be happy that someone is raising the bar on pricing
    3. Hats off to them. Especially if they can hold on to that pricing for many shoots, not just one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckuang View Post
    Hey Winson, speaking with regards to the wedding photography arena
    1. I would celebrate. Life is easier for everyone when there is a photographer paving the way.
    2. I would be happy that someone is raising the bar on pricing.
    3. Hats off to them. Especially if they can hold on to that pricing for many shoots, not just one.
    Was just sipping champagne in celebration of a major win on a bid, we were the highest price submitted amongst 4-5 bids. We got it because we could do it faster and better and not because we were the cheapest. The “unfair competitive advantage” was also at play. How I wished it were a daily affair too.

    For you, it’s wedding. (the whole market is looking-up on you) For us, it’s the printing business. But it’s the same fundamentals and logic. The bar on pricing would not be raised; there’s benchmark in the market too. The constant struggle with the low price to make ends meet, doing more for less and working harder. Sucking up to keep the clientele and the whole list of costs issues.
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    Hey Winson,

    congratulations, that's so great to hear. It's great that you got the contract and I think what is good for you s good for us as an industry.

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    I think its truly commendable for a client to look beyond pricing and choose who he/she believes can deliver to their expectations.

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    1. OK if that guy has better standard than me.

    2. That is the wrong way to approach this. Who said price is the only factor in a decision? Do you always buy the cheapest car, eat at the cheapest hawker, etc? There is a reason why a BMW costs more than a Honda. And there is a reason why some people pay more to get a BMW.

    3. There is nothing to respect or regard. It's not about someone "paving" the way. A better photographer must, by definition, command a higher price. Just because he got the job doesn't mean you can sell the job at his price.


    Look: This may sound idealistic to guys who are always losing out to others because of pricing. But price is a reflection of quality and dependability. If you charge a low price, people will think of you in a certain manner. Ditto if you charge a high price. Who is chosen very much depends on how much quality and confidence the client is willing to pay for. What is clear, though, is that if you're always aiming to be the low bidder, you are not going to get rich in the photography business. And if you are struggling so hard, you have to wonder, why are you in business.



    Quote Originally Posted by Winsonapm View Post
    No intention of trying to be mischievous, just another thought.
    A lot of discussions on undercutting, what about the other way round?

    How would you:

    1)feel when "someone" with a "HIGHER-quote gotten/taken the job"?

    2)would you be angry or cool or jealous or suspicion of hanky-panky?

    3)how would you "respect/regards" those who give HIGH-quotes and got the job?
    Last edited by waileong; 24th August 2007 at 08:52 PM.

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    In most cases when such circumstances happened, it is the winner who did a better job in his sales and marketing approaches then just competing on prices. He could have won because of better quality output, better sales services, proven credentials, good market reputation and most of all.........he knows the right person who makes that decision.

    It is a case of who you know and not what you know. I believed many of us would have came across cases where the photographer could not produce a reasonable standard piece of work but still could get the job........not just because of the lower prices that he quoted but the rapport he had with the persons who make that decision. This is a fact of business.


    Quote Originally Posted by Winsonapm View Post
    No intention of trying to be mischievous, just another thought.
    A lot of discussions on undercutting, what about the other way round?

    How would you:

    1)feel when "someone" with a "HIGHER-quote gotten/taken the job"?

    2)would you be angry or cool or jealous or suspicion of hanky-panky?

    3)how would you "respect/regards" those who give HIGH-quotes and got the job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winsonapm View Post

    How would you:

    1)feel when "someone" with a "HIGHER-quote gotten/taken the job"?

    2)would you be angry or cool or jealous or suspicion of hanky-panky?

    3)how would you "respect/regards" those who give HIGH-quotes and got the job?
    1). if he's better than me, by all means! if he's able to offer a wider range of service and has better relationship with the client...

    2). most often, its not how good u're that nets u the top paying job but a case of wat is in fashion and if u know the right contact.

    3). it's a free world and we're all free to quote for our own services. if they quoted higher and landed the job, good for them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    I think its truly commendable for a client to look beyond pricing and choose who he/she believes can deliver to their expectations.
    In most occasions, the first consideration is based on price.
    “Know who” can help to get you in the door.
    “Know how” and gear may get you to be consider.
    But creative is valued upfront. Creative may not sell, but that's a different story.

    Let’s look at the Advertising market; price is never a first consideration. When a major account is up for pitch, the top creative boys are invited. You don’t get invited just because you are cheap. Massive resources are put into the pitch, elaborate presentation, actual print production (most done Ondemand on our Indigoes) and the show of muscles. 10K to 100K budget can be sink-in with no guarantee of a win. (Sometime the client pays) It’s a fight on creative and concept, not on price. In the final round, price may come into play.

    Champagne popping for the winner, the team who lost the account may have to look for a job in another agency or join the winner. You don’t see a situation when we cheer and celebrate a win over a lower price. “yeh, we beat the b*st*rd by half his price.”
    just1book, no kidding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winsonapm View Post

    Champagne popping for the winner, the team who lost the account may have to look for a job in another agency or join the winner. You don’t see a situation when we cheer and celebrate a win over a lower price. “yeh, we beat the b*st*rd by half his price.”
    hahaha that'll be the end!
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    COS they know that under cut is part of the business. However, squeezed by low profit and high cost. They will sacrifice quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winsonapm View Post
    No intention of trying to be mischievous, just another thought.
    A lot of discussions on undercutting, what about the other way round?

    How would you:

    1)feel when "someone" with a "HIGHER-quote gotten/taken the job"?

    2)would you be angry or cool or jealous or suspicion of hanky-panky?

    3)how would you "respect/regards" those who give HIGH-quotes and got the job?
    Hello

    1)If based on "Standard + Quality" must be there/better, then, by all means will congrat them.

    2)And if based on "scenario" of question (1), then "neutral" will be for the 'feel' you see

    3)MUST based on "scenario" of question (1), then that's really "xin fu ko fu"<==>and by all means
    Last edited by blueskye168; 27th August 2007 at 08:59 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vinlee View Post
    COS they know that under cut is part of the business. However, squeezed by low profit and high cost. They will sacrifice quality.
    I beg to differ.
    Many products and services are been “commoditise”, your business in Photography and my business in Printing inclusive.
    Regardless of our high operating costs, to under-cut or low profit.
    To quote a certain price is a business strategy or decision, to make ends meet is survival.
    You quote, you deliver. Quality is non-negotiable and service is expected.
    There are photographers that cannot deliver high quality even if given high prices. Can a pro shoot lower quality for low price?
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    Quote Originally Posted by waileong View Post
    Look: This may sound idealistic to guys who are always losing out to others because of pricing. But price is a reflection of quality and dependability. If you charge a low price, people will think of you in a certain manner. Ditto if you charge a high price. Who is chosen very much depends on how much quality and confidence the client is willing to pay for. What is clear, though, is that if you're always aiming to be the low bidder, you are not going to get rich in the photography business. And if you are struggling so hard, you have to wonder, why are you in business.
    Food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winsonapm View Post
    In most occasions, the first consideration is based on price.
    “Know who” can help to get you in the door.
    “Know how” and gear may get you to be consider.
    But creative is valued upfront. Creative may not sell, but that's a different story.

    Let’s look at the Advertising market; price is never a first consideration. When a major account is up for pitch, the top creative boys are invited. You don’t get invited just because you are cheap. Massive resources are put into the pitch, elaborate presentation, actual print production (most done Ondemand on our Indigoes) and the show of muscles. 10K to 100K budget can be sink-in with no guarantee of a win. (Sometime the client pays) It’s a fight on creative and concept, not on price. In the final round, price may come into play.

    Champagne popping for the winner, the team who lost the account may have to look for a job in another agency or join the winner. You don’t see a situation when we cheer and celebrate a win over a lower price. “yeh, we beat the b*st*rd by half his price.”
    Unfortunately, this is not being practised across the industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winsonapm View Post
    I beg to differ.
    To quote a certain price is a business strategy or decision, to make ends meet is survival.
    You quote, you deliver. Quality is non-negotiable and service is expected.
    There are photographers that cannot deliver high quality even if given high prices. Can a pro shoot lower quality for low price?
    If the pro does that, his reputation for high quality goes down the drain...............

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