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    Default Re: Odex Directors wanna sue anime downloaders in Singapore. WTF

    Quote Originally Posted by FooFighter View Post
    Well said I never heard of Odex until I read the article on net.

    Btw I think its wrong that the Odex guy is getting death threats.
    Death threats?

    Actually look at it in such a way.

    1) Anime is a culture
    2) A culture has a cult-following community
    3) If ppl within the community sees the long term objective of an individual or entity that's going to destroy it once and for all and cause a decline.

    What would people feel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garou12 View Post
    u know by their logic why haven't they sued animax too? Animax in a way would hurt their distribution of anime in the store.
    Actually they supply anime to Animax as well as to other TV networks in S.E.A.

    For example the horrible, horrible cut-like-crazy Nanoha aired several months back shown on Channel U was supplied by Odex. I wanted to watch to see how it is but it was so badly raped by censorship board (I mean, where's the sex in the first place? There wasn't a hint of sexuality in the nudity at all!) that I wept and turned the telly off and went to bed and cry myself to sleep (even though its merely 1600H).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    Actually they supply anime to Animax as well as to other TV networks in S.E.A.

    For example the horrible, horrible cut-like-crazy Nanoha aired several months back shown on Channel U was supplied by Odex. I wanted to watch to see how it is but it was so badly raped by censorship board (I mean, where's the sex in the first place? There wasn't a hint of sexuality in the nudity at all!) that I wept and turned the telly off and went to bed and cry myself to sleep (even though its merely 1600H).
    That's why i don't watch the anime on tv at all. Back when central was showing Ruruoni Kenshin it was censored to death too.

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    Are they getting the uploader too and the P2P software maker?
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    Quote Originally Posted by namespace View Post
    Are they getting the uploader too and the P2P software maker?
    U gona to sue kitchen knife makers if they are used as murder weapons ?

    I am more keen if TNP can follow up on this

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    Quote Originally Posted by centuryegg View Post
    Depends... with the release of the name list, he can shut down the downloads for a while. How? Levy the maximum 5000 compenstation on a few individuals and make sure it get blown sky high in the news as a warning.
    Hmm. Maybe the business model is to buy rights, let downloads happen for a while and collect the $5k compensation thru legal means as the real "fee" ?

    Even if youngsters don't have credit cards... there is this thing that even low-end VOIP operators have learnt to use. It's called the "pre-paid card".

    I'm not even an anime fan at all...
    but really, this company's PR strategy really sucks. You can be the most legally right person , but that isn't going to improve sales if your customers think you suck.

    Whatever they win legally they will then have to spend 5x as much to re-market their company and its products. If I were them I would be shy to appear in the newspaper. It's like digging your own hole and then filling it up.

    It's all the other anime distributors who are quietly smiling to themselves and letting this company exhaust their own resources fighting for their rights too.

    Complete amateur.

    If they had any real business sense, they would ask themselves what are the strong-points of the entire scenario ... and how they can exploit it.

    For example, you can do simple things like "free download of the day" ... one day you allow free downloads of an old movie. For people who miss it and they want it, they may pay.

    With unimaginative entrepreneurs like that, no wonder so few make it to the big scene.

    Unless collecting compensation is the real revenue generator of their business, they should spend their effort building the business instead of wasting time and burning goodwill; making themselves hated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centuryegg View Post
    I totally agree on that.

    Example

    Pirated DVD SGD 5 to 7 dollars.
    Quality might be excellent or lousy depending on luck
    Audio can be crappy and most of the time subtitles are done by jokers that cant spell to save their lives.

    Legal DVD SGD 14 to 17 dollars
    Just movie alone

    Legal DVD SGD 20 to 25 dollars
    With making of, interviews etc etc

    Most important of all with the extra few dollars I pay, I am assured of good quality picture, good audio and correct subtitles, I would buy legal.

    However if legal discs are priced at 40 and above..... give me pirated anytime man.....
    Honestly, what is $20-25 these days? Or rent!

    I don't know how many people here are old enough to remember the pirated casette tape days of the 1980s. In those days, a pirated music album was $5. A legal, imported one was $20.

    The music industry finally woke up to the idea that if prices were close enough... no one would buy pirate. So they started making the tapes to a lower standard in Malaysia/Singapore ... they could sell it between S$8-10.

    It almost completely wiped out the pirates within a few years.

    Given the chance and affordability, people will naturally want to buy legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keltzar View Post
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    Whatever they win legally they will then have to spend 5x as much to re-market their company and its products.
    That's considering that they learn their lesson and start to market their products...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keltzar View Post
    Honestly, what is $20-25 these days? Or rent!

    I don't know how many people here are old enough to remember the pirated casette tape days of the 1980s. In those days, a pirated music album was $5. A legal, imported one was $20.

    The music industry finally woke up to the idea that if prices were close enough... no one would buy pirate. So they started making the tapes to a lower standard in Malaysia/Singapore ... they could sell it between S$8-10.

    It almost completely wiped out the pirates within a few years.

    Given the chance and affordability, people will naturally want to buy legal.
    going by that logic then Odex should price their anime dvds between $1-$5 since downloaders have to pay cost for media burning, internet and electricity...

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    A suggestion to beat this kind of company strategy is to buy legal and share.

    I mean there's quite a few of anime forums here and the members could juz buy and share. If you dun duplicate, you are not breaking any law.
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    I have wondered how they come up with the amount of a few thousands dollars for the fine? I mean let's just say, for one episode distributed on torrent, there are say 30 seeders. If you fine every single one of these seeders $3000, they get $90,000 from the fines alone. Does the cost of hiring the people to track the files, or even hire the lawyers and the loss of sales amount to that $90,000?

    I thought in a civil case, the court will always seek to award a remedy that's to compensate for the company's loss and not so that the company actually benefitting from it. Does the case actually cost $90,000 of loss to the company?

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    Unimaginative is not the word. 'Mypoic' is more like it.

    'Minimal costs, maximum profit & productivity' is perhaps a dream for all companies. In this case, they probably carried it too far.

    In the first place, they started out on the wrong foot and failed to engage the community in their culture.

    Self-claimed 'otaku'? Oh plz. I almost died with laughter when I saw that report on that chap (its a pity the photographer did not use a 10.5mm or I guess ppl can have a field day with his distorted photo) that he's a self-profess 'otaku' but his very deeds seem to run in contrary with the community and its more like running a business instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prismatic View Post
    I have wondered how they come up with the amount of a few thousands dollars for the fine? I mean let's just say, for one episode distributed on torrent, there are say 30 seeders. If you fine every single one of these seeders $3000, they get $90,000 from the fines alone. Does the cost of hiring the people to track the files, or even hire the lawyers and the loss of sales amount to that $90,000?

    I thought in a civil case, the court will always seek to award a remedy that's to compensate for the company's loss and not so that the company actually benefitting from it. Does the case actually cost $90,000 of loss to the company?
    I wonder if they have the "right" to "fine" without courts backing in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keltzar View Post
    Honestly, what is $20-25 these days? Or rent!

    I don't know how many people here are old enough to remember the pirated casette tape days of the 1980s. In those days, a pirated music album was $5. A legal, imported one was $20.

    The music industry finally woke up to the idea that if prices were close enough... no one would buy pirate. So they started making the tapes to a lower standard in Malaysia/Singapore ... they could sell it between S$8-10.

    It almost completely wiped out the pirates within a few years.

    Given the chance and affordability, people will naturally want to buy legal.
    Unfortunately the case here is not matching point-to-point on price comparison alone.

    The thing is, such 'illegal downloads' of fansubs tend to have:
    1) Better picture quality (yes, I'd seen the originals and I weep)
    2) Fast
    3) Free (until licensed that is)

    When was the last time that u had seen 'pirated stuff' yield way better quality than the originals?

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    Default Re: Odex Directors wanna sue anime downloaders in Singapore. WTF

    illegal stuff = "pirate"

    legal 1s = ripoffs



    choose d pirate ver kenna sue, choose d ripoffs? at this point customer is king, i choose not to download but i wont buy form Odex either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    I wonder if they have the "right" to "fine" without courts backing in the first place.
    That's what I was wondering too. They send a lawyer's letter and then demand payment?
    If not they will take them to court?

    Shouldn't it be the other way round, ie, take them to court first then demand payment?

    I thought there's something in the books about blackmail by threats of civil action or something like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    Unfortunately the case here is not matching point-to-point on price comparison alone.

    The thing is, such 'illegal downloads' of fansubs tend to have:
    1) Better picture quality (yes, I'd seen the originals and I weep)
    2) Fast
    3) Free (until licensed that is)

    When was the last time that u had seen 'pirated stuff' yield way better quality than the originals?
    You left out better subbing and translation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garou12 View Post
    You left out better subbing and translation.
    Now wif those fans quite fluent in japanese... who need translations.
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    Default Re: Odex Directors wanna sue anime downloaders in Singapore. WTF

    actually i don't understand, they only own distribution rights, can they sue for copyright with distributor license? if Odex only represents the copyright owners, shouldn't the penalty imposed on those affected be paid to the copyright owners instead of Odex? this case is so bizarre it's wierd
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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    actually i don't understand, they only own distribution rights, can they sue for copyright with distributor license? if Odex only represents the copyright owners, shouldn't the penalty imposed on those affected be paid to the copyright owners instead of Odex? this case is so bizarre it's wierd
    I think the whole case hasn't made sense to anyone but Odex from the begining. Its like the sane trying to puzzle out the reasons of the insane. Can't be done coz its unfathomable.

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