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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    QALA... normally tis kinda sh!t never gets to them...
    Bro, u spokeman for QALA?...
    always the Light, .... always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canonised View Post
    Bro, u spokeman for QALA?...
    dun report to IRAS ok...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    dun report to IRAS ok...
    okie, okie....
    actually very disappointed with the way Sinktell handled the whole episode, showing a total disregard of the trust, a betrayer, they have with their subscribers ..... they did not even TRY to stand up for their customers!
    if only they fought back ........
    always the Light, .... always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    QALA... normally tis kinda sh!t never gets to them...
    what QALA?

    http://sg.news.yahoo.com/cna/2007082...g-231650b.html

    this keeps getting better and better. Judge Lau is truly a learned man!!!
    Last edited by garou12; 25th August 2007 at 09:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garou12 View Post
    what QALA?

    http://sg.news.yahoo.com/cna/2007082...g-231650b.html

    this keeps getting better and better. Judge Lau is truly a learned man!!!
    http://qala.com.sg/
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    Default Re: Odex Directors wanna sue anime downloaders in Singapore.

    hehe, only got license for Gundam Seed.... no license for Gundam Seed Destiny... ho say liao..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canonised View Post
    okie, okie....
    actually very disappointed with the way Sinktell handled the whole episode, showing a total disregard of the trust, a betrayer, they have with their subscribers ..... they did not even TRY to stand up for their customers!
    if only they fought back ........
    Hooray for Pacnet.

    Singnet & Starhub . When will they stand up for their customers. Have they not heard of privacy.

    How come our laws so confusing. One judge said this; another said that. So who is right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s598719 View Post
    Hooray for Pacnet.

    Singnet & Starhub . When will they stand up for their customers. Have they not heard of privacy.

    How come our laws so confusing. One judge said this; another said that. So who is right?
    well, depends how the lawyers present themselves to the judge wat, jugde only base on what is presented before him to make judgement...

    obviously, pacnet lawyers are reading our threads and form various sources... i suspect vince123123 is the lawyer for pacnet...
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    you know i cannot help but wonder how the outcomes would have been if it was a jury trial...

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    Odex said it would be appealing against the judgement. - CNA /ls
    Any chance for success?
    I say "FAT HOPE!"
    always the Light, .... always.

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    Odex said it would be appealing against the judgement. - CNA /ls
    Any chance for success?
    I say "FAT HOPE!"
    hopefully its the same judge or a like minded one.

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    Default Re: Odex Directors wanna sue anime downloaders in Singapore.

    Quote Originally Posted by garou12 View Post
    you know i cannot help but wonder how the outcomes would have been if it was a jury trial...
    Jury ?

    i think Odex confirm lose until siao.... no matter what happens, the public will not agree to such punishments metted out by such people.

    and when the accuse lawyers throw out information about the game shop thing.. sure xedo lose the case one...

    no clean records already... and they can all GG...

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    I believe that the Singnet spindoctors will be out in force soon.

    Noting that SingNet did not engage lawyers to resist Odex's application, Judge Lau raised several issues that he felt "were never fully argued before the court" in the hearing involving StarHub, which was handled by a different judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garou12 View Post
    hopefully its the same judge or a like minded one.
    In the first ST and SH, there wasnt any real defence. It wouldnt appear good if any bros change the verdict since the judgement was spelt out in details...... Odex had "no right of civil action" against illegal downloaders.
    In fact, I believe even the first batch of downloaders who received the letters can just junk the letters away ....
    Odex never learnt anything from the old NKF .... "dont bank your luck too far. If the going is too good, it's time to stop" .... If only Odex would stop and "forgive" all those downloaders and not going for the PN lists, they would have received "unmeasurable GOODWILL" (which they do not even deserved) from everyone. It simply a case of being too greedy la .... $3,000 x 3,000 = $9,000,000 +
    Last edited by Canonised; 25th August 2007 at 10:44 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canonised View Post
    In the first ST and SH, there wasnt any real defence. It wouldnt appear good if any bros change the verdict since the judgement was spelt out in details...... Odex had "no right of civil action" against illegal downloaders.
    In fact, I believe even the first batch of downloaders who received the letters can just junk the letters away ....
    Odex never learnt anything from the old NKF .... "dont bank your luck too far. If the going is too good, it's time to stop" .... If only Odex would stop and "forgive" all those downloaders and not going for the PN lists, they would have received "unmeasurable GOODWILL" (which they do not even deserved) from everyone. It simply a case of being too greedy la .... $3,000 x 3,000 = $9,000,000 +
    still it means something that the judge point out that singnet did nothing...shows that he wants to listen to both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennyong View Post
    Jeannie is SH's spokesperson !?!?!?

    Ok, wait. Which Jeannie are u all talking about? The lady with the 70-200VR in her avatar? The very same one?

    But personally, the MOST INTERESTING parts which I'd found frm TodayOnline was from this:
    ...Out of the 13 letters that Odex produced to support its claims that it was authorised to go after the illegal downloaders, only three parties — all distributors themselves — had "directly appointed" Odex to act for them.
    Out of 13 authorisation letters ONLY 3 (distributors themselves and not the copyright holders) directly appointed Odex to act for them.

    Now check this out....

    The other 10 letters had authorised the Anti-Video Piracy Association (Singapore) to do so, Judge Lau pointed out.
    The letters of demand that were sent out to the infringers carried the Odex Letterhead INSTEAD OF AVPAS OR R&T's LAW FIRM LETTERHEAD.

    Granted, someone did mentioned about law firm drafting 1 letter as a template and the company to save cost uses their own letterhead. However, Odex, being a member of AVPAS seems to be using its membership within AVPAS to carry out such a *erm* "Draconian" act which it currently SEEMS TO BE the sole member of.

    In addition to the contradiction which Odex seemed to have continually shot itself in the foot with....
    In its letters of demand, Odex is asking for $3,000 to $5,000 compensation and also hinted of criminal prosecution should the subscriber refuse to pay up.
    $3000 to $5000 compensation? The open letter that was sent to Talkback Live 938, The New Paper as well as what was being told to those who made appointment and went down to the office, the $3K to $5K 'compensation' was actually to cover the 'administrative & investigation costs' and in apparently no way it was a settlement fee.

    The extremely skewered clauses in the LoU clauses 5, 6 & 7 seemed to skewer things in their extreme favour and apparently ppl who had signed the LoU probably did it under duress facing the 'potential charge of infringing copyright law' (as we could see some of the anguish blogs around). Could anyone reasonably well-versed in Business Law tell us what would happen to a contract or any LoU if its signed UNDER DURESS?

    And lastly...

    Last year, Odex engaged BayTSP — an Internet investigation firm in the United States — to provide an online tracking solution to track down and collect details of unauthorised uploading and downloading of anime via BitTorrent, a peer-to-peer online file sharing platform.
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    But the judge said Odex director Peter Go — who filed the affidavit — had "no proof" that his firm had engaged the services of BayTSP in this matter, and neither did Bay-TSP give evidence in favour of Odex.
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    Mr Go merely provided articles and FAQ information on Bay-TSP's website on the services it provides.
    Hmm.... BAYTSP DID NOT GIVE EVIDENCE IN FAVOUR OF ODEX? Well, well, well....

    What are potentially looking at in this situation? I'm not insuniating at anything whatsoever ok.

    And finally

    Adding that he (The Learned Judge Mr Ernest Lau) was "uncomfortable" with the "expediency by which (Odex) approached this case", the judge said: "This is an application that will impact potentially thousands of persons. The alleged breach of copyright is inferred from how the BitTorrent protocol works. It is not sufficient for (Odex) to adduce website information before a court of law or for (Mr Peter Go) to explain the mechanics."
    1 upz for the Learned & Wise Judge Mr Earnest Lau!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canonised View Post
    In the first ST and SH, there wasnt any real defence. It wouldnt appear good if any bros change the verdict since the judgement was spelt out in details...... Odex had "no right of civil action" against illegal downloaders.
    In fact, I believe even the first batch of downloaders who received the letters can just junk the letters away ....
    Odex never learnt anything from the old NKF .... "dont bank your luck too far. If the going is too good, it's time to stop" .... If only Odex would stop and "forgive" all those downloaders and not going for the PN lists, they would have received "unmeasurable GOODWILL" (which they do not even deserved) from everyone. It simply a case of being too greedy la .... $3,000 x 3,000 = $9,000,000 +
    In their open letter found on their website: www.odex.com.sg, which was filed on 20 August 2007 (Singapore). It was mentioned that....

    None of the ISPs assigns unique IP addresses to their subscribers, and it is highly unlikely that 1,000 IP addresses would in fact translate to the identification of 1,000 different subscribers – i.e. the figure would be much less.
    Reference Paragraph 10, Line 2

    Given a conservative estimate of 50% off the figure of 1000 IP addresses which would mean approximately 500 subscribers were involved.

    It would mean (given the maximum estimated 'admin fee claimed' of $5K):
    SGD$5000 x 500 = SGD$2.5 million

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    hehe, only got license for Gundam Seed.... no license for Gundam Seed Destiny... ho say liao..
    Erm... dat doesn't really mean u can continue downloading leh.

    P/S: Are u in the IT line as well? *ahem*

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    Ok, wait. Which Jeannie are u all talking about? The lady with the 70-200VR in her avatar? The very same one?

    But personally, the MOST INTERESTING parts which I'd found frm TodayOnline was from this:

    Out of 13 authorisation letters ONLY 3 (distributors themselves and not the copyright holders) directly appointed Odex to act for them.

    Now check this out....


    The letters of demand that were sent out to the infringers carried the Odex Letterhead INSTEAD OF AVPAS OR R&T's LAW FIRM LETTERHEAD.

    Granted, someone did mentioned about law firm drafting 1 letter as a template and the company to save cost uses their own letterhead. However, Odex, being a member of AVPAS seems to be using its membership within AVPAS to carry out such a *erm* "Draconian" act which it currently SEEMS TO BE the sole member of.

    In addition to the contradiction which Odex seemed to have continually shot itself in the foot with....

    $3000 to $5000 compensation? The open letter that was sent to Talkback Live 938, The New Paper as well as what was being told to those who made appointment and went down to the office, the $3K to $5K 'compensation' was actually to cover the 'administrative & investigation costs' and in apparently no way it was a settlement fee.

    The extremely skewered clauses in the LoU clauses 5, 6 & 7 seemed to skewer things in their extreme favour and apparently ppl who had signed the LoU probably did it under duress facing the 'potential charge of infringing copyright law' (as we could see some of the anguish blogs around). Could anyone reasonably well-versed in Business Law tell us what would happen to a contract or any LoU if its signed UNDER DURESS?

    And lastly...


    Hmm.... BAYTSP DID NOT GIVE EVIDENCE IN FAVOUR OF ODEX? Well, well, well....

    What are potentially looking at in this situation? I'm not insuniating at anything whatsoever ok.

    And finally


    1 upz for the Learned & Wise Judge Mr Earnest Lau!

    need to wait and see what happen in 13 days. IF appeal falls thru for them, they're finished.

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    Hehe looks like what I've been saying about owner/exclusive licensee has been picked up on and endorsed by the court

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