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    Default Re: SBS Transit, SMRT ask to raise bus and train fares

    Quote Originally Posted by datan View Post
    prices have been going up year to year....



    oil prices have risen > 1400% since 1999.
    Has transport costs risen even 20% since 1999?
    Where do you get the 1400% from

    Oil is only one of the many contirbutions to the transport company expense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Static View Post

    What's with the graph at points at
    year 1999
    year 2002
    year 2005
    year after 2006
    Just like the govn., only choose the one to signify the differences.
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    Default Re: SBS Transit, SMRT ask to raise bus and train fares

    Quote Originally Posted by zcf View Post
    Just like the govn., only choose the one to signify the differences.
    Seriously, i not even sure if the chart is the real chart and zhun or not. Will check out and get back
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    Quote Originally Posted by datan View Post
    prices have been going up year to year....
    oil prices have risen > 1400% since 1999.
    Has transport costs risen even 20% since 1999?

    I don't know how you analyse your figures (mabbe an example of anyhow use numbers to prove a point).

    Anyway here's an analysis that is official

    http://www.singstat.gov.sg/pubn/pape...r05-pg8-11.pdf

    You can see that price hike in oil are mainly event driven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mohgui View Post
    whether there's a fare increase or no fare decrease... we are all screwed by living in a small country with monopolised transport industry.
    so which urban areas are served by many many transport providers?

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    so which urban areas are served by many many transport providers?
    HK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zcf View Post
    Where do you get the 1400% from
    sorry, about 7 times.


    Oil is only one of the many contirbutions to the transport company expense.
    if you look at the income statement for SBS,
    fuel costs take about 20% of their total costs.

    so if they pass through the increase in fuel increases since 1999, they should have raised transport fees by 0.2 * 7 = 140%. Have transport prices risen 40% since 1999?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zcf View Post
    Just like the govn., only choose the one to signify the differences.
    sorry I have no idea what you mean

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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    HK.
    how many? which area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    I don't know how you analyse your figures (mabbe an example of anyhow use numbers to prove a point).

    Anyway here's an analysis that is official

    http://www.singstat.gov.sg/pubn/pape...r05-pg8-11.pdf

    You can see that price hike in oil are mainly event driven.
    um...whether event driven or not there's still a price hike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by datan View Post
    how many? which area?
    tink no need to spoon feed you rite.

    I gave you the answer to your question liao. It's up to you to prove mi wrong lah. Cannot prove mi wrong means I'm rite loh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Static View Post
    Seriously, i not even sure if the chart is the real chart and zhun or not. Will check out and get back
    waiting keenly for your analysis ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by datan View Post
    um...whether event driven or not there's still a price hike...
    the post is to challenge your 1400% lah... dun skip the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    tink no need to spoon feed you rite.

    I gave you the answer to your question liao. It's up to you to prove mi wrong lah. Cannot prove mi wrong means I'm rite loh.
    you should back up your claims with evidence...come on, which part of HK? How many transport providers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by datan View Post
    you should back up your claims with evidence...come on, which part of HK? How many transport providers?
    Read this, and the link inside the article.

    Now, the ball is at your court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    Read this, and the link inside the article.

    Now, the ball is at your court.
    you're trying to back up your case with someone's "travel tips"???
    I also write a review and post on website you accept or not?

    and even that someone says there are only 3 bus companies in HK not "many many" that I asked for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post
    the post is to challenge your 1400% lah... dun skip the issue.
    That's why I don't quite like argue with him, being very selective reply on posting (ignore the part like public transport is for public, why now become a tool to benefit share holder and the govn), and view at very specific point, manipulative on usage of the highest and the lowest of the figures just to show a 7X increase in petro price, while compare a norm of US$25 to US$50~60 (peak at 70), that's only a 2~2.4x increase only.
    average of 2.2x of 20% in the whole bulk increase is only a small increment.
    Which work out around 24% increase in overall cost only (based on assumption that all other expenses are status que, which is unlikely though, but may be counter with new advertisement earning, more efficient engine to cut down diesel usage etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by datan View Post
    you're trying to back up your case with someone's "travel tips"???
    I also write a review and post on website you accept or not?

    and even that someone says there are only 3 bus companies in HK not "many many" that I asked for.
    I'm onli holding back loh.. see if you wan to read a little more before anihow post again...haiz... realli have to grow out of your spoonfeeding thinking and "research" a little more before challenging data which are easily googled.

    Official site

    Wiki site

    You wan more... google got 2.28mil returns... you can read all you wan from the links there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zcf View Post
    That's why I don't quite like argue with him, being very selective reply on posting (ignore the part like public transport is for public, why now become a tool to benefit share holder and the govn), and view at very specific point, manipulative of the figures just to show a 7X increase in petro price, while compare a norm of US$25 to US$50~60 (peask at 70), that's only a 2~2.4x increase only.
    average of 2.2x of 20% in the whole bulk increase is only a small increment.
    Which work out around 24% increase in overall cost only (based on assumption that all other expenses are status que, which is unlikely though).
    The current corporate entity SBS transit was formed in listed in 1997.
    http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/about/corpprofile.aspx

    To be fair must compare since late 1990s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zcf View Post
    That's why I don't quite like argue with him, being very selective reply on posting (ignore the part like public transport is for public, why now become a tool to benefit share holder and the govn), and view at very specific point, manipulative on usage of the highest and the lowest of the figures just to show a 7X increase in petro price, while compare a norm of US$25 to US$50~60 (peask at 70), that's only a 2~2.4x increase only.
    average of 2.2x of 20% in the whole bulk increase is only a small increment.
    Which work out around 24% increase in overall cost only (based on assumption that all other expenses are status que, which is unlikely though, but may be counter with new advertisement earning, more efficient engine to cut down diesel usage etc).
    He's juz discrediting himself only loh.
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