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    Arrow SBS Transit: She claws driver till he BLEEDS .

    *Petite passenger gets mad after SBS driver confiscates her expired concession card

    *She shouts vulgarities, rips hole in his pants

    STANDING at 1.86m and with a muscular physique honed in the gym, Mr William Su cuts an intimidating figure.

    But inside his bus cabin, the 33-year-old driver was helpless against the rage of a woman who measured only 1.6m tall.
    The petite 20-year-old was so vicious that she drew blood as she lashed out at him, leaving four bloody puncture marks on his left forearm. She also tore his right trouser pocket.

    The reason for her rage: Mr Su had confiscated her expired concession card.

    The woman had boarded SBS service 55 with a male companion around 6.10pm at Hougang Ave 3 last Tuesday.

    The bus was heading for Bishan Bus Interchange from Marine Parade.
    She had tapped her wallet against the card reader, which emitted five continuous beeps.
    Mr Su checked his fare console and saw that it registered an expired concession card. He asked to look at it.

    She showed him an adult ez-link card, but he insisted on seeing the expired concession card.

    She handed it to him, and he explained that he had to follow company procedure to retain expired concession cards.

    She replied that he had no right to keep the card, which she claimed she used as an identity card.

    As he had to issue two test tickets as part of the procedure for retaining cards, the bus captain left his cabin to use the ticket collection machine behind his seat.

    But the woman stood beside the door of his cabin and refused to budge.
    When he tried to unlatch the door, she pushed the door shut with force.

    Said the soft-spoken bus driver in Mandarin: 'I was shocked at her sudden show of violence.

    'Then her male friend came up and said threateningly: 'You better know what to do and return her the card',' said Mr Su.

    Meanwhile, she continued shouting at him, insisting on the return of her card.

    Mr Su immediately contacted the Operations Control Centre to ask for help.
    He was told a mobile traffic inspector had been despatched and he was to proceed on his route in the meantime.

    A few stops later, as passengers were boarding, the woman, who was still standing beside his cabin, suddenly reached for his left breast pocket in which he had placed an envelope containing her confiscated card.

    Mr Su blocked her with his left arm. Thwarted, she insulted and cursed him.
    'She kept saying that she hoped I would get into an accident,' he said.

    Then she suddenly grabbed hold of his left arm and refused to let go.
    The quick-thinking Mr Su used his right hand to transfer the envelope to his right trouser pocket.

    At the same time, he asked a passenger near the front to be a witness to the incident.
    He asked the woman to let go, but she flew into an uncontrollable rage, flinging herself across his body and grabbing wildly for his right trouser pocket.
    She kept clawing at him in a bid to reach the envelope in the pocket.

    'I couldn't stop her, all I could do was to remain calm and tell her that I had to retain her card,' said Mr Su.

    'Suddenly I heard a loud rip, and knew my trousers had been torn. I also realised my left arm was bleeding.'

    ASKED HER TO STOP

    He pointed out his bleeding arm to her and again asked her to stop. Only then did she reluctantly let go.

    The girl then phoned her sister and Mr Su heard her saying that he had confiscated her card and beaten her.

    Mr Su quickly reminded the witness to take note of the actual events.
    The witness, Mr Dennis Yap, 30, a sales executive, said he was shocked by the violent attack.

    'She is only 1.6m tall and of average build, but she was so aggressive. She even hurled Hokkien vulgarities at the bus driver,' he said.
    Mr Su said the insults and attack upset him, but he told himself to remain calm and not retaliate, as he had been trained to do.

    Mr Yap agreed that Mr Su had handled the situation well.
    'She kept disturbing him and even grabbed him while he was trying to drive. She could have caused an accident. It was peak hour and the bus was almost full,' he said.

    'She had no consideration for the safety of all on board. Luckily, the driver kept calm throughout. Not once did he lose his temper or raise his voice.

    'He remained polite and explained nicely to her that he was following company procedure even after she got so violent.'

    Following instructions from the Operations Control Centre, Mr Su stopped the bus along Ang Mo Kio Ave 3, and allowed the other passengers to transfer to another bus.

    Even then, the girl blocked his way and refused to let him leave his cabin to help the passengers.

    Finally, she relented and left the bus with her male companion, lighting up a cigarette outside.
    Her brother-in-law and the police arrived around 7.20pm.

    APOLOGY

    Said Mr Su: 'Her brother-in-law kept apologising to me and asked me to drop the matter. But the woman and her friend showed no remorse. They never even offered an apology. Her friend kept insisting I was wrong to retain the card.'

    SBS Transit's director for corporate communications, Ms Tammy Tan, said concession cards are issued by TransitLink only to individuals eligible for concessionary travel privileges on public transport.

    They are non-transferable and are coded with information on their validity to avoid any misuse.

    She said the woman had presented an expired concession card and wanted to enjoy concessionary travel.

    In line with company procedures, this is not allowed and bus captains are authorised to retain concession cards or any ez-link cards for investigation,' said Ms Tan.

    We are viewing this matter seriously and are working with the police.'

    The police said they are investigating the incident.

    http://newpaper.asiaone.com.sg/news/...136428,00.html?

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    Default Re: SBS Transit: She claws driver till he BLEEDS .

    Once again, I state the legal position (as confirmed by SBS themselves - albeit in a very roundabout and non-commital way), that if a customer refuses to hand over their card, there is NOTHING that the bus captain can do. If SBS wishes to, they can institute expensive legal proceedings to enforce their CIVIL rights.

    In fact, it is even possible that the bus captain, if retaining the card even with the express refusal of the customer, can be liable for theft/robbery.

    SBS only has a civil and contractual right, not an absolute legal right.

    An example : if A buys goods from B, A is contractually liable to B to pay for the goods. However, B has no right to confiscate A's wallet just to satisfy his debt.

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    Default Re: SBS Transit: She claws driver till he BLEEDS .

    i hope they give her a harsh punishment!She deserves it

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Once again, I state the legal position (as confirmed by SBS themselves - albeit in a very roundabout and non-commital way), that if a customer refuses to hand over their card, there is NOTHING that the bus captain can do. If SBS wishes to, they can institute expensive legal proceedings to enforce their CIVIL rights.

    In fact, it is even possible that the bus captain, if retaining the card even with the express refusal of the customer, can be liable for theft/robbery.

    SBS only has a civil and contractual right, not an absolute legal right.

    An example : if A buys goods from B, A is contractually liable to B to pay for the goods. However, B has no right to confiscate A's wallet just to satisfy his debt.
    but the lady accept the contract and board the bus...

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    Default Re: SBS Transit: She claws driver till he BLEEDS .

    Still, it is not up to the bus driver to enforce the contract!

    If A and B enter a contract, B cant beat/force/threaten A to fulfill his part.

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    Default Re: SBS Transit: She claws driver till he BLEEDS .

    And with the assistance of witnesses on behalf on the bus captain, I don't think she has strong grounds to say that she had assaulted the bus captain in self-defence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sh_37 View Post
    Still, it is not up to the bus driver to enforce the contract!

    If A and B enter a contract, B cant beat/force/threaten A to fulfill his part.
    then what is the driver for?

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    could you pls explain the basis for your "If fact" statement?

    [QUOTE=vince123123;3243939]
    In fact, it is even possible that the bus captain, if retaining the card even with the express refusal of the customer, can be liable for theft/robbery.

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    Default Re: SBS Transit: She claws driver till he BLEEDS .

    We used to have road rage, drivers punching others/showing middle fingers.

    Now we have bus passengers rage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drudkh View Post
    Appears to support what the SBS says all the time.

    Nonetheless, it was very dangerous to the other passengers when the lady attacked the bus driver while driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxwagon View Post
    Appears to support what the SBS says all the time.

    Nonetheless, it was very dangerous to the other passengers when the lady attacked the bus driver while driving.
    what can she be sued for?

    lack of consideration?

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    sbs must act against the assailant in civil court even though if the police charges her. deterrent sentence is recommended.

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    for one, causing wilful damage to sbs's property i.e. its uniform. no need to mention the obvious.

    Quote Originally Posted by westwest2 View Post
    what can she be sued for?

    lack of consideration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003 View Post
    for one, causing wilful damage to sbs's property i.e. its uniform. no need to mention the obvious.
    ok...that will be?

    how much damages can sbs claim for?

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    Default Re: SBS Transit: She claws driver till he BLEEDS .

    What about endangering lives of passengers on board a moving bus?

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    Default Re: SBS Transit: She claws driver till he BLEEDS .

    Quote Originally Posted by westwest2 View Post
    what can she be sued for?

    lack of consideration?
    Seems to me like a clear assault/battery case.

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    or unprovoked, aggravated assault on the bus captain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Parka View Post
    Seems to me like a clear assault/battery case.

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    Default Re: SBS Transit: She claws driver till he BLEEDS .

    This deserves an absolute WTF thread of the day.

    I still think punishments are not severe enuff. Let this as well as the schoolboy hitting bus driver incident hold a landmark case and mete out THE MAXIMUM PENALTY for bus driver assault.

    Enuff is enuff.

    1) Endangering all passengers on board (Damn it, classify this as ATTEMPTED MURDER PLZ!)
    2) Battery, unprovoked assault
    3) Causing damaged to SBS property (hope they will classify this as VANDALISM)
    Last edited by jsbn; 21st July 2007 at 09:01 PM.

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    Okay first up, my first stateemnt is intended to be of general application, and not of this particular instance, where unfortunately the lady chose to take the law into her own hands and is now herself, possibly criminally liable.

    My point is that, just because you want to enforce a civil contract, does not give you the right to committ a criminal offence in order to enforce the civil contract.

    Quote Originally Posted by westwest2 View Post
    but the lady accept the contract and board the bus...
    If someone takes away something from you, and you are disputing his contractual right to take it away, if he continues to retain it, then he has committed a criminal offence - I have not yet examined the precise provisions, but suffice it to say that it is obvious that a civil right does not entitle you to immunity from criminal liability.

    As I have quoted earlier, if I owe you money from a sale of goods or other contractual obligation, does that give you the right to snatch my wallet from me and help yourself to my money?

    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003 View Post
    could you pls explain the basis for your "If fact" statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    In fact, it is even possible that the bus captain, if retaining the card even with the express refusal of the customer, can be liable for theft/robbery.
    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Once again, I state the legal position (as confirmed by SBS themselves - albeit in a very roundabout and non-commital way), that if a customer refuses to hand over their card, there is NOTHING that the bus captain can do. If SBS wishes to, they can institute expensive legal proceedings to enforce their CIVIL rights.

    In fact, it is even possible that the bus captain, if retaining the card even with the express refusal of the customer, can be liable for theft/robbery.

    SBS only has a civil and contractual right, not an absolute legal right.

    An example : if A buys goods from B, A is contractually liable to B to pay for the goods. However, B has no right to confiscate A's wallet just to satisfy his debt.

    What SBS has done in many of its public letters, is to give the imperssion that it has an absolute right to retain the cards, when it is in fact, just a civil right. I'll post a chain of letters published in the Today newspaper later this Monday if anyone is interested - it is all in the office.
    Last edited by vince123123; 21st July 2007 at 09:12 PM.

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