I wrote so much, and you refute it with a one-liner that claims something which cannot be proven and cannot be backed up. Let's see, credibility is running pretty low on your side, IN MY VIEW. Of course, you may choose to NOT ACCEPT that.. =)
Delusion is bliss, in such cases. In any case, the global mass media are all monsters who seek to demonise and stereotype and brainwash people.
So what makes you any different? =)
Last edited by night86mare; 19th July 2007 at 12:09 PM.
Anyway, why don't you go to the developed countries-- US, UK, Australia, etc.-- and see for yourself what they have that we don't?
"..start listening to your points"-- Whether you listen or not doesn't matter.
"...emotional logic"-- what a contradiction of terms!
"..illogical statements, overgeneralisation"-- please point them out.
"... this is not helping."-- I'm not trying to help anyone.
"... you refute it with a one-liner that claims something which cannot be proven and cannot be backed up."
What's there to prove to you? You don't believe in the power of positive thinking? Have you heard of self-fulfilling prophecy? Google if you need to.
"Let's see, credibility is running pretty low on your side, IN MY VIEW."
How would you know whose credibility is lower?
Last edited by waileong; 19th July 2007 at 12:18 PM.
Sorry, you're mistaken. I didn't say hanging the flag was associated with political parties. It was the poster before me, ie centuryegg. I said I agreed with him. I also went on to talk about the use of the term "opposition" in Singapore, which I feel has been misused, even by those in political parties themselves. It was a digression, but in no way a pro or anti any party per se, just to explain how I think the term has been misused here. But I did of course express my frustration at having to write it as P-A-P because of the ***.
Again, it was centuryegg who said we have a long way to go unlike Americans, Brits, etc. I said I agreed, and said this could not be achieved by NE. There is nothing in this post about political parties or opposition. I do feel that you can't force people to be proud of Singapore by making them go through national education or sing national songs. Or indeed, by going around to "encourage" people into flying flags.
I hope you can see the above clearly. I, yes me, I didn't politicise it.
Here's a question for you as a moderator-- if we don't talk political parties, if we want to just talk about singapore, eg. whether NE is a way to make S'poreans feel more proud of their country, is that considered discussing "politics" and hence not allowed here? If so, that's a shame, because there are things which can be discussed without bringing political parties or political beliefs into the picture.
Last edited by waileong; 19th July 2007 at 12:39 PM.
well, i kinda wonder... since i am not a sgrean... but stay here long enuff...
i can sing the mahjula singapura, the national day songs in primary school... since i find that its nothing wrong... its like a respect to the country... until when i go secondary school... a teacher come to me and say, foreign student dun sing anthem and just stand and keep quiet thru out the morning ceremony will do... so i was thinking long and hard... hmm... ok... i stand attention as a form of respect...
well... sg is a very unique country... alot of times, political party are mistaken = to the country... well, i think its like a company... the company employ the MD, etc, and workers... people work for the benefit of the company... and then everyone get rewarded... if something goes wrong... change MD or CEO... something of that manner... so if you love your country, just raise the flag...
Logging Off. "You have 2,631 messages stored, of a total 400 allowed." don't PM me.
I am willing to die for my country (in war) but see no need to fly flag to 'express' my love for Singapore.
Well, then we will talk about policies lor.
Obviously, someone is a TRUE patriot here. No doubt. Does that mean waileong and I are not patriots? Why must you keep using the election-favorite phrase 'never offering an alternative'? What waileong also meant here is that there are many things which the government dare not implement! Alternatives have always been flowing into the government departments, but to have the courage to implement a certain policy needs a statesman with a lot of guts! Yes, I agree that Singapore is good, but it can be better, right? You want Singapore to progress or to dwindle back to a fishing village? We have no lack of alternative suggestions by the public and the scholars (and those are from Cornell, MIT, Cambridge, 东大，北大，etc., mind you). These well-written analyses and papers (usually written by people who sit behind a desk, mind you) are not hard to find. (Dig into the socio-journals published by the relevant institutes and schools.) Do you read essays in INSIGHTS in The Straits Times or 社论 in Lianhe Zaobao? Passionate Singaporeans have already raised more than enough alternatives for Singapore to be a better country! Yes, it is true that the government has implemented some stuff suggested by the public. We are grateful to them, but those are the mini stuff. How about the big stuff? Sometimes they know that a certain policy will do a lot of good to the people, but they are unwilling to sacrifice certain 'stuff' to execute it. We do acknowledge that every country has her own problems; some policies can never be implemented, we all know that. But that doesn't mean we cannot be unhappy with our country. We all want our country to be a 'dream state', as I quote this term by a socio-economic guru, I have nothing further to add. The flag is a personal thing. Don't mix.
"Yes. And such pride doesn't come from NE Propaganda, or from singing Silly national songs or reciting Peoms."
National Education is nice phase for Propaganda.
national songs=brain washing tools
Singapore Pledge = peoms coz Singaporeans never take it seriously and certain party disregard it.
This was a thread asking if you have displayed your national flag.
If you want to further debate the merits of doing so or even the political motivation behind the need for flying your national flag, please do so else where.
Waileong et al, as much as i respect the fact that you may have your views in regards to this matter, i ask you to also respect our wish that this discussion be taken else where.