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    Quote Originally Posted by madmacs View Post
    the world doesn't end even if the exhibition goes on. if it goes on, that will give you the opportunity to go down and lodge a strong protest right? why not go down and express your views to the organizer?
    [Chasing Organizer - Hoax Patrol]
    If i go there...
    If i just go there...
    Would you go with me and just protest together...
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    I am not too sure about everyone else but I found it an interesting manner as to how people react to something which the have read in the papers (which some go as far as to percieve it as the absolute truth, i.e. is in the papers and therefore, it must be truth)

    First off, I do not agree with the actions of the photographers. I found what they did dis-tasteful. However, in regards to the matter of Mr Tay Kay Chin, he came online to help clear the air and instead of using this opportunity to suggest ways resolve this issue, some members simply took this opportunity to badger and heckle and some decided that they should be the judge, jury and executioner.

    What I am asking now is for some calm deliberation. Even if you do have the moral high ground, it would still be better to take a step back and take a few deep breaths first.

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jOhO View Post
    yo dp.. i think our "energy" should be directed at the three originators of this whole thing. while they may have not surfaced here, i think u and kaychin have been exchanging what seems like the same conversation over and over... not very constructive leh.
    Precisely. thank you jOhO.

    It is clear that while Kay Chin was brave enough to step forward and admit to his part in this situation, I think we should also take a step back and again, look at the situation in the right context.

    It would be easy for him to just keep quiet and continue to read about everything else and not offer his comments. Why continue to hound him when he did step up? If indeed you want answers or the person who is accountable for this entire saga, then continue to write to the organisers or petition for the person who conceptualized this idea.

    Does it make you feel any better, badgering someone online in this manner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmacs View Post
    actually some artists do resort to controversy to promote their works.
    Then their work stinks, cause if they needed to 'promote' their work then what does it say about the work? That it can't selfpromote through its own quality?

    Anyway, someone said this fake art was stated as fictional? Where was that? Thought it originally wasn't stated as such? Or have they changed their website? I didn't follow all the discussions here as i don't have the time......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongsien View Post
    Then their work stinks, cause if they needed to 'promote' their work then what does it say about the work? That it can't selfpromote through its own quality?

    Anyway, someone said this fake art was stated as fictional? Where was that? Thought it originally wasn't stated as such? Or have they changed their website? I didn't follow all the discussions here as i don't have the time......

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    they suddenly changed scope, from a true account, to now a fictional character.

    also, i dun understand how come it can become lying is an art... i can't believe this portion...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang View Post
    I am not too sure about everyone else but I found it an interesting manner as to how people react to something which the have read in the papers (which some go as far as to percieve it as the absolute truth, i.e. is in the papers and therefore, it must be truth)

    First off, I do not agree with the actions of the photographers. I found what they did dis-tasteful. However, in regards to the matter of Mr Tay Kay Chin, he came online to help clear the air and instead of using this opportunity to suggest ways resolve this issue, some members simply took this opportunity to badger and heckle and some decided that they should be the judge, jury and executioner.

    What I am asking now is for some calm deliberation. Even if you do have the moral high ground, it would still be better to take a step back and take a few deep breaths first.

    Thank you.
    I think the problem here is that Kay Chin knew that it was a hoax before he submitted it for inclusion......

    This is something that is bothering me......

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmacs View Post
    actually some artists do resort to controversy to promote their works.
    Controversy vs Ethics (or rather, the lack of)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongsien View Post
    I think the problem here is that Kay Chin knew that it was a hoax before he submitted it for inclusion......

    This is something that is bothering me......

    HS
    I am not disagreeing with this point. What I am more concerned about is how a select few decided that he is the designated whipping boy and made him fully responsible for everything.

    Again, what I am appealing for is for calm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmacs View Post
    actually some artists do resort to controversy to promote their works.
    Generate controversy thru interpretation of work OR initiate controversy with one's work?

    I'm sure great painters, artists & musicians of the past are not for the latter. I suppose that's the standard artists ought to be sticking to.

    I dun recall reading a musician/artist generating a work, when ppl misinterpreted their work, they generate a pack of lies to continue leading on the misinterpretation/misunderstanding of other ppl and not clear up the air immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongsien View Post
    Then their work stinks, cause if they needed to 'promote' their work then what does it say about the work? That it can't selfpromote through its own quality?

    Anyway, someone said this fake art was stated as fictional? Where was that? Thought it originally wasn't stated as such? Or have they changed their website? I didn't follow all the discussions here as i don't have the time......

    HS
    i believe the original site did not mention wxk was a fictional character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post
    Again, yes, you duped the organizer. You should have blown the whistle when you found out about the hoax. You didn't.

    The price to pay are not people like me hounding you, it's your conscience. Can you live with yourself?

    What you can do is to help take down the offending pictures from the exhibition.

    Do the right thing. Do the ethical thing.
    Friend, chill-chill.

    Like what Kay Chin had said so many times. He is no longer involved in MOP2007. He can fight the good cause of hounding the main organiser as a curator, as a side line viewer. But since he is not involved, he pretty much has his hands tied of just being able to make noise but if the organiser, his colleague or whoever is involved is not willing to take solid action, he can't do things at all.

    Somehow, I can empathise with Kay Chin on this having undergone the same thing where I tried to put up a case for an official matter and ended up being stonewalled by both colleagues AND boss. And the worst thing? I'm not even of any powerful position to influence anything at all since to most I'm probably just 'an outsider' who doesn't know 'the policies' crap. Kinda like having my hands tied whilst ur enemy's happily torturing u and u know u're gonna die but u can't do shit abt ur impending death.

    Kay Chin knew, but he was just the middleman. I guess if u do wanna scream for blood, taking out the guy caught in the centre of the entire matter isn't gonna resolve the entire issue. The lynch crowd should head directly to the source and smash it once and for all - the 3 perpetrators of the entire controversy, whose name I can't even be bothered to remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    Generate controversy thru interpretation of work OR initiate controversy with one's work?

    I'm sure great painters, artists & musicians of the past are not for the latter. I suppose that's the standard artists ought to be sticking to.

    I dun recall reading a musician/artist generating a work, when ppl misinterpreted their work, they generate a pack of lies to continue leading on the misinterpretation/misunderstanding of other ppl and not clear up the air immediately.
    some do push the limits of social tolerance, and some even do overstep the boundaries. some consider themselves artists even though they may not adhere to your definition of artists. our perceptions are shaped by the social norms of the society we belong to, and if we are not able to reconcile certain actions with the norms that we are used to, then the action must be unacceptable.

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    I've sent an email to Adeline the ST reporter, and I've tried to direct her to this thread.

    Lets see if there's a response...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    Friend, chill-chill.

    Like what Kay Chin had said so many times. He is no longer involved in MOP2007. He can fight the good cause of hounding the main organiser as a curator, as a side line viewer. But since he is not involved, he pretty much has his hands tied of just being able to make noise but if the organiser, his colleague or whoever is involved is not willing to take solid action, he can't do things at all.

    Somehow, I can empathise with Kay Chin on this having undergone the same thing where I tried to put up a case for an official matter and ended up being stonewalled by both colleagues AND boss. And the worst thing? I'm not even of any powerful position to influence anything at all since to most I'm probably just 'an outsider' who doesn't know 'the policies' crap. Kinda like having my hands tied whilst ur enemy's happily torturing u and u know u're gonna die but u can't do shit abt ur impending death.

    Kay Chin knew, but he was just the middleman. I guess if u do wanna scream for blood, taking out the guy caught in the centre of the entire matter isn't gonna resolve the entire issue. The lynch crowd should head directly to the source and smash it once and for all - the 3 perpetrators of the entire controversy, whose name I can't even be bothered to remember.
    thats why i say let the show go on. if you guys want to go down and stone the organizers and/or artists, then that is a good opportunity for you to do so figuratively or literally. having heated discussions and going on witchhunts in the forums wont solve anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobbit6003 View Post
    I've sent an email to Adeline the ST reporter, and I've tried to direct her to this thread.

    Lets see if there's a response...
    Thank hobbit... how is the petition going on?

    i kinda had this bad taste in the mouth when i read what shinken wrote... something is wrong with these 'artist'...
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    In 2006, a photographic collective named "A dose of light" is featured on L.C.D and a weblink to Wu Xiao Kang's work can be found at: http://adoseoflight.com/overdose/xiaokang.html

    We hereby published a letter from Angelique who would require all our help to bring this local artist back to our shore in a posthumous exhibition.

    "This is Angelique Pan writing for A dose of light. A dose of light is a visual arts collective based in Singapore and London. This email is a plea for help!

    One of my collective's body of work was recently shown in London. I am not sure if you are familiar with this body of work , " Wu Xiao Kang , 1979-2005 ". Due to some unhappy brushes with people in Singapore previously , Wu Xiao Kang's work was never shown in Singapore but it has proceeded to be shown in other places. His work received tremendous feedback from Europe and China. Our server crushed last year due to the overwhelming traffic. I have been trying to push for a show with his original last roll of slides to be shown in Singapore. But there has been problems.

    I am writing to you guys for a plea for help to ask for signatures for a petition to help realize a show for his work back in Singapore with the original slides to be released back to the collective. If there is anyway you can help spread this message to creatives, organisations and artists , supporting local artists whom I would like to refer to as heroes, please help!

    I really appreciate your time for reading through my lengthy email.

    The petition : http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/wuxiaokang

    Warmest regards and much appreciation,
    Angelique Pan"

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmacs View Post
    some do push the limits of social tolerance, and some even do overstep the boundaries. some consider themselves artists even though they may not adhere to your definition of artists. our perceptions are shaped by the social norms of the society we belong to, and if we are not able to reconcile certain actions with the norms that we are used to, then the action must be unacceptable.
    Social norms.... U know my friend, I've been thinking abt this thing for the longest time.

    Acceptable vs unacceptable within the confines of social norms. But its there for a reason and slowly shaped, defined, reshaped over the centuries to evolve into what it is now.

    Despite the many nationalities involved, a world without social norms and its OB markers would probably be a world in chaos. I guess the human (in general) and religious definitions of "What's acceptable" is precisely to prevent the world into descending into absolute chaos where everyone doesn't have a standard guideline of 'norms' to adhere to.

    Then again, this debate on norms would be left to yet another thread. Maybe its best if we stick to our regularly scheduled programme...

    P/S: I dun want kena warning frm Moderator again. hehehe....

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    Social norms.... U know my friend, I've been thinking abt this thing for the longest time.

    Acceptable vs unacceptable within the confines of social norms. But its there for a reason and slowly shaped, defined, reshaped over the centuries to evolve into what it is now.

    Despite the many nationalities involved, a world without social norms and its OB markers would probably be a world in chaos. I guess the human (in general) and religious definitions of "What's acceptable" is precisely to prevent the world into descending into absolute chaos where everyone doesn't have a standard guideline of 'norms' to adhere to.

    Then again, this debate on norms would be left to yet another thread. Maybe its best if we stick to our regularly scheduled programme...

    P/S: I dun want kena warning frm Moderator again. hehehe....
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    Social norms.... U know my friend, I've been thinking abt this thing for the longest time.

    Acceptable vs unacceptable within the confines of social norms. But its there for a reason and slowly shaped, defined, reshaped over the centuries to evolve into what it is now.

    Despite the many nationalities involved, a world without social norms and its OB markers would probably be a world in chaos. I guess the human (in general) and religious definitions of "What's acceptable" is precisely to prevent the world into descending into absolute chaos where everyone doesn't have a standard guideline of 'norms' to adhere to.

    Then again, this debate on norms would be left to yet another thread. Maybe its best if we stick to our regularly scheduled programme...

    P/S: I dun want kena warning frm Moderator again. hehehe....

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    As they say in show-biz, no publicity is bad publicity. Intentionally or not, the originators have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. Distasteful, pretentious, arrogant, duplictious, all of these and more. But then, so is a lot of other 'art'.

    Those of you who feel offended and want to plant an OB marker in the ground, please do so, it ought to be encouraged. At the same time, remember this occasion when OB markers are placed around you when you cross a boundary.

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