truth-photographer and Steven Yee - moved from Knowledge Bowl's DSLR course thread

[chong_lim]

Is this Steven Yee the same person that got deregistered coz have 2 nicknames, Steven Yee and truth-photographer? Dishonest.... huhh... If yes, what is the integrity of Knowledge Bowl then?

[Knowledge Bowl]

Truth Photographer is a group of former students of Steven Yee. Though Steven has helped many students to register for clubsnap on his laptop on the spot during their gatherings, it does not mean that Steven owns all the UserIDs. Steven owns more than 15 URLs. Fortunately not all the userIDs which Steven has helped to create for his students were deleted.

This is to clarify any doubts. At the same time, we at Knowledge Bowl feels that Darren should clarify with Steven before announcing that Steven owns the IDs and also deregister his user ID which is "Steven Yee". It is a bit not too right for this move for a forum as the parties involved include other users as well who helped to stir the case up.

Nonetheless, those students and people who know Steven will not doubt his integrity. There is no way Steven can stop what his students want to post about him, regardless good or bad remarks.

Knowledge Bowl is a place to learn photography, not a place for gossip or politics. Quality of content is our objective.

So far, the response to our courses have been very positive as we believe there are many rational people out there. They know what it is all about.

[roygoh]

So you are saying truth-photographer is a shared account registered by Steven Yee and used by a group of his former students? May I know how many people are sharing that account and how many actually posted with that account?

And you are also saying that Steven has registered more than one other accounts, more than 15 to be more precise, on CS on behalf of his students?

Can you list those nicks created by Steven Yee to prevent future misunderstandings?

[AncientMariner]

Originally Posted by Knowledge Bowl Truth Photographer is a group of former students of Steven Yee. Though Steven has helped many students to register for clubsnap on his laptop on the spot during their gatherings, it does not mean that Steven owns all the UserIDs. Steven owns more than 15 URLs. Fortunately not all the userIDs which Steven has helped to create for his students were deleted. This is to clarify any doubts. At the same time, we at Knowledge Bowl feels that Darren should clarify with Steven before announcing that Steven owns the IDs and also deregister his user ID which is "Steven Yee". It is a bit not too right for this move for a forum as the parties involved include other users as well who helped to stir the case up. Nonetheless, those students and people who know Steven will not doubt his integrity. There is no way Steven can stop what his students want to post about him, regardless good or bad remarks. ....

I find it hard to believe that a group of people, who are merely fellow students, can and will share the same nick and password. In the first place, why do they need to since anyone can get an e-mail address and register individually?
Is the Truth-Photographer, you refer to in the above, the same as the truth-photographer who is deregistered and the same as the one who started the following thread on 12/03/2005?
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=120616
If so, how do you reconcile what you stated with the following facts?
In post #1, of the thread truth-photographer wrote:
"I just return from Australia after completing my studies. Just registered into clubsnap today. Finally found time for my long lost hobby...I am actually looking for a refresher course to get back my basic skills." followed by
"The Photographic Society of Singapore, formed 1950, as per the staff Diana, has 6 instructors throughout the basic photography class, which I find pretty interesting. Value for money, and my friend told me there is this young, chubby and yet energetic instructor who never fail to make you enjoy photography."
If truth-photographer is indeed a group of former students of Steven Yee or one of the group, why pretend not to know him? Why did the rest, and everyone in the know, let the deception carry on through the entire thread and not have it corrected till even today i.e. more than 2 years?
Then, in post #18, Steven Yee himself wrote:
" Hope to see you at PSS and we shall welcome you to join PSS's big family. Our membership strength now stands at about 1900. Our track record has proven to be the choice for a place to enjoy photography. Our Basic photography course starts every month.
See ya.
In a nutshell, I supposed your friend must have attended my lessons. I shed some weight recently and a little less chubby (politically correct term for "fat"). haha."
Can you explain?

[eow]

Originally Posted by AncientMariner I find it hard to believe that a group of people, who are merely fellow students, can and will share the same nick and password. In the first place, why do they need to since anyone can get an e-mail address and register individually? Is the Truth-Photographer, you refer to in the above, the same as the truth-photographer who is deregistered and the same as the one who started the following thread on 12/03/2005? http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=120616 If so, how do you reconcile what you stated with the following facts? In post #1, of the thread truth-photographer wrote: "I just return from Australia after completing my studies. Just registered into clubsnap today. Finally found time for my long lost hobby...I am actually looking for a refresher course to get back my basic skills." followed by "The Photographic Society of Singapore, formed 1950, as per the staff Diana, has 6 instructors throughout the basic photography class, which I find pretty interesting. Value for money, and my friend told me there is this young, chubby and yet energetic instructor who never fail to make you enjoy photography." If truth-photographer is indeed a group of former students of Steven Yee or one of the group, why pretend not to know him? Why did the rest, and everyone in the know, let the deception carry on through the entire thread and not have it corrected till even today i.e. more than 2 years? Then, in post #18, Steven Yee himself wrote: " Hope to see you at PSS and we shall welcome you to join PSS's big family. Our membership strength now stands at about 1900. Our track record has proven to be the choice for a place to enjoy photography. Our Basic photography course starts every month. See ya. In a nutshell, I supposed your friend must have attended my lessons. I shed some weight recently and a little less chubby (politically correct term for "fat"). haha." Can you explain?

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[contaxable]

btw, what happened to KB at workshop?

Hope things get resolved amicably.

[vince123123]

Hmm the plot thickens....

[AReality]

Threads like these keep me wanting to come back to CS.
Pls dun lock this thread..

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[yqt]

Originally Posted by AncientMariner I find it hard to believe that a group of people, who are merely fellow students, can and will share the same nick and password. In the first place, why do they need to since anyone can get an e-mail address and register individually? Is the Truth-Photographer, you refer to in the above, the same as the truth-photographer who is deregistered and the same as the one who started the following thread on 12/03/2005? http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=120616 If so, how do you reconcile what you stated with the following facts? In post #1, of the thread truth-photographer wrote: "I just return from Australia after completing my studies. Just registered into clubsnap today. Finally found time for my long lost hobby...I am actually looking for a refresher course to get back my basic skills." followed by "The Photographic Society of Singapore, formed 1950, as per the staff Diana, has 6 instructors throughout the basic photography class, which I find pretty interesting. Value for money, and my friend told me there is this young, chubby and yet energetic instructor who never fail to make you enjoy photography." If truth-photographer is indeed a group of former students of Steven Yee or one of the group, why pretend not to know him? Why did the rest, and everyone in the know, let the deception carry on through the entire thread and not have it corrected till even today i.e. more than 2 years? Then, in post #18, Steven Yee himself wrote: " Hope to see you at PSS and we shall welcome you to join PSS's big family. Our membership strength now stands at about 1900. Our track record has proven to be the choice for a place to enjoy photography. Our Basic photography course starts every month. See ya. In a nutshell, I supposed your friend must have attended my lessons. I shed some weight recently and a little less chubby (politically correct term for "fat"). haha." Can you explain?

This is interesting.

[blazer_workz]

Originally Posted by AncientMariner I find it hard to believe that a group of people, who are merely fellow students, can and will share the same nick and password. In the first place, why do they need to since anyone can get an e-mail address and register individually? Is the Truth-Photographer, you refer to in the above, the same as the truth-photographer who is deregistered and the same as the one who started the following thread on 12/03/2005? http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=120616 If so, how do you reconcile what you stated with the following facts? In post #1, of the thread truth-photographer wrote: "I just return from Australia after completing my studies. Just registered into clubsnap today. Finally found time for my long lost hobby...I am actually looking for a refresher course to get back my basic skills." followed by "The Photographic Society of Singapore, formed 1950, as per the staff Diana, has 6 instructors throughout the basic photography class, which I find pretty interesting. Value for money, and my friend told me there is this young, chubby and yet energetic instructor who never fail to make you enjoy photography." If truth-photographer is indeed a group of former students of Steven Yee or one of the group, why pretend not to know him? Why did the rest, and everyone in the know, let the deception carry on through the entire thread and not have it corrected till even today i.e. more than 2 years? Then, in post #18, Steven Yee himself wrote: " Hope to see you at PSS and we shall welcome you to join PSS's big family. Our membership strength now stands at about 1900. Our track record has proven to be the choice for a place to enjoy photography. Our Basic photography course starts every month. See ya. In a nutshell, I supposed your friend must have attended my lessons. I shed some weight recently and a little less chubby (politically correct term for "fat"). haha." Can you explain?

u noe its very lonely to be a pro..sometimes u need self amusement..

[Deadpoet]

and the plot thickens .....

sometime, people needs to know when let the dead horse die ...

[alvinchuan]

Originally Posted by Deadpoet and the plot thickens ..... sometime, people needs to know when let the dead horse die ...

Agree..... look like they have also closed all their threads in the workshop sub-forum...

[Deadpoet]

Originally Posted by alvinchuan Agree..... look like they have also closed all their threads in the workshop sub-forum...

LOL ... if those were really the students trying to support their teacher, well done guys ...

if not, then serves them/him/her right

[advox]

Originally Posted by Deadpoet and the plot thickens ..... sometime, people needs to know when let the dead horse die ...

Technically, a dead horse can't 'die'. It can't do anything coz it's already dead.

[roygoh]

Reminder: This is not Kopitiam, so please keep this thread free from Kopitiam-style chatter. Thanks!

[AncientMariner]

Originally Posted by roygoh Note: chong_lim's query about truth-photorapher's identity and Knowledge Bowl's reply has been moved to FAQ and Feedback forum. Please refrain from further discussion of this topic in the workshop and shoots forum. http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=289550

I understand the rationale of keeping the ambient free from distractions so that the paying subscriber may conduct his business unmolested. However, in this case, truth-photographer is one of the instructors in the course and self-promotion here by using another nick is as manipulative as using another nick to jack up the bidding price of an auction in B& S. Potential customers should be given the opportunity to alert the public and question to weed out such deception. I know Knowledge Bowl has claimed that truth-photographer, though created by Steven Lee, is used by a group of his former students. Trying to exonerate him and relieve him from the responsibility for creating the account with this excuse is naive and an insult to the intelligence of CS members. The only way he can be excused is if he had not authorised it's use, no knowledge of misuse and no opportunity to correct the situation otherwise he must be held responsible as if he made the post himself. The onus of proving it rests with him. Yet, on the contrary, he has participated in the same thread as both truth-photographer and Steven Lee. Therefore, a prudent man must assume he had full knowledge of the postings, approved of the contents and made no effort to correct it and therefore can and must be held accountable. In fact, in this thread, Knowledge Bowl's reply to truth-photographer and continuing to allow it to remain after both truth-photographer and Steven Lee were deregistered my be construed as consent to the actions and the desire to continue its misuse and opens Knowledge Bowl to queries regarding its credibility and integrity.
Allowing truth-photographer's post and Knowledge Bowl's reply to remain whilst moving chong lin's query, therefore, may not be the right or beneficial to CS members. It may appear that CS is protecting Knowledge Bowl and shielding it from legitimate questions from other members.

[zaren]

Originally Posted by AncientMariner I understand the rationale of keeping the ambient free from distractions so that the paying subscriber may conduct his business unmolested. However, in this case, truth-photographer is one of the instructors in the course and self-promotion here by using another nick is as manipulative as using another nick to jack up the bidding price of an auction in B& S. Potential customers should be given the opportunity to alert the public and question to weed out such deception. I know Knowledge Bowl has claimed that truth-photographer, though created by Steven Lee, is used by a group of his former students. Trying to exonerate him and relieve him from the responsibility for creating the account with this excuse is naive and an insult to the intelligence of CS members. The only way he can be excused is if he had not authorised it's use, no knowledge of misuse and no opportunity to correct the situation otherwise he must be held responsible as if he made the post himself. The onus of proving it rests with him. Yet, on the contrary, he has participated in the same thread as both truth-photographer and Steven Lee. Therefore, a prudent man must assume he had full knowledge of the postings, approved of the contents and made no effort to correct it and therefore can and must be held accountable. In fact, in this thread, Knowledge Bowl's reply to truth-photographer and continuing to allow it to remain after both truth-photographer and Steven Lee were deregistered my be construed as consent to the actions and the desire to continue its misuse and opens Knowledge Bowl to queries regarding its credibility and integrity. Allowing truth-photographer's post and Knowledge Bowl's reply to remain whilst moving chong lin's query, therefore, may not be the right or beneficial to CS members. It may appear that CS is protecting Knowledge Bowl and shielding it from legitimate questions from other members.

AFAICS, you have been allowed to post public and legitimate queries to knowledge bowl via this thread as well as chong lim's thread in the feedback forum. both threads are kept open and transparent by CS so that members can see and judge for themselves. What "shielding" is there?

[nemesis32]

as roygoh has mentioned, pls refrain from posting here but rather reply to the thread in FAQ.

[SilverSurfer66]

Originally Posted by AncientMariner I understand the rationale of keeping the ambient free ....I know Knowledge Bowl has claimed that truth-photographer, though created by Steven Lee, is used by a group of his former students. Trying to exonerate him and relieve him from the responsibility for creating the account with this excuse is naive and an insult to the intelligence of CS members. The only way he can be excused is if he had not authorised it's use, no knowledge of misuse and no opportunity to correct the situation otherwise he must be held responsible as if he made the post himself. .... It may appear that CS is protecting Knowledge Bowl and shielding it from legitimate questions from other members.

Hmm ... sounds like character assassination if you ask me. This thread is about courses, not PERSONAL vendetta's.

[AncientMariner]

Originally Posted by zaren AFAICS, you have been allowed to post public and legitimate queries to knowledge bowl via this thread as well as chong lim's thread in the feedback forum. both threads are kept open and transparent by CS so that members can see and judge for themselves. What "shielding" is there?

Tks for allowing my comments to remain here. Pls reread my post. I did not accuse CS of anything. What I wrote was "Allowing truth-photographer's post and Knowledge Bowl's reply to remain whilst moving chong lin's query, therefore, may not be the right or beneficial to CS members. It may appear that CS is protecting Knowledge Bowl and shielding it from legitimate questions from other members."

Originally Posted by SilverSurfer66 Hmm ... sounds like character assassination if you ask me. This thread is about courses, not PERSONAL vendetta's.

I do not know Steven Lee/truth-photographer and Knowledge Bowl, had no dealings with them whatsoever and have definitely no reason to harm them. I did not even participate in the threads that "truth-photographer" started or had any exchange with any of them at any time. I only began questioning when Knowledge Bowl stated its ludicrous explanation for Steven Lee/truth photographer being caught using multiple nicks, given my reasons why I do not believe it and stated what is needed for it to be acceptable. If you find any flaw in that logic, please feel free to reason otherwise or better still, prove me wrong with facts but please kindly refrain from making untrue comments that are baseless.