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    Quote Originally Posted by Terence View Post
    More details here... www.singaporegunclub.com
    Thnx for the point in the direction.

    Sigh... does seem a little pricey.

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    Can always go for a day membership, much cheaper that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terence View Post
    More details here... www.singaporegunclub.com
    Care to enlighten me on gun purchases? Do you select from a catalog at the club, or can you import your own weapons from overseas (with obvious restrictions of course, no automatics or carbines)? I've been thinking of making use of my Malaysian passport to buy weapons in Sarawak, weapons like the M16, then keeping them with my uncle. I could fly there around once a year to hunt boar with him

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    You need to be a full member with the SGC in order to apply for a gun license which in turn will allow you to purchase a firearm. The club has used weapons which can be transferred from owner to owner. New weapons may be purchased through the various dealers handling firearm sales. The cost of most weapons are usually not that much, it's the handling and escort services which add to the cost of any purchase.

    As the gun range is only a pistol and competition rifle range, users are restricted to those types of arms.

    Additionally, you may also rent guns from the club though these are only factory zeroed and will require that you compensate for the inaccuracies in the sighting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    The thing is, are there any hardcore criminals like in the 60s?

    If u're in SPF, I'm sure u heard of the Kidnap King Morgan Teo of the 60s. Grukhas had to be called in.

    IIRC, Former CP Goh Yong Hong was a Supretendent dat time. He handled the case personally.

    Anyway, how often do we hear (officially) STAR Unit gets called in? The last time round was the Cell holdup thing at one of the Police Station IIRC.
    The last really major hostage incident in SG was in 1991 SQ117.. That time STAR not formed yet so SOF was called in.
    Of course, in sg, there isn't any hardcore criminals... Hard to have a case like yesterday's melbourne shooting where it will really put the elites to the test. But then again, emphasis is still on public safety for choice of weaponry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terence View Post
    Can always go for a day membership, much cheaper that way.
    Go thailand shoot until you shiok shiok. Got most of the popular guns there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terence View Post
    As the gun range is only a pistol and competition rifle range, users are restricted to those types of arms.
    What kind of rifles? How long is the range? I'm not expecting 2km ranges for anti-materiel rifles of course, but how about say, 1km?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmmtn4aj View Post
    What kind of rifles? How long is the range? I'm not expecting 2km ranges for anti-materiel rifles of course, but how about say, 1km?
    The ranges are only 50m in length... we're talking about air rifles and .22 types.

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    imho... safety of the men going in would be of utmost importance, if the crooks r using auto weapons and wearing armour vest y shd the guys going in stick to sub-machinegun and 9mm? implementation of caliber and firearms type shd be based on mission requirements rite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terence View Post
    The ranges are only 50m in length... we're talking about air rifles and .22 types.
    Pffft. Guess it's still Malaysia for my bolt-actions needs

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    Quote Originally Posted by AQVA View Post
    imho... safety of the men going in would be of utmost importance, if the crooks r using auto weapons and wearing armour vest y shd the guys going in stick to sub-machinegun and 9mm? implementation of caliber and firearms type shd be based on mission requirements rite?
    Ballistic vests and automatic weapons change tactics completely. Obviously if you were faced with a situation where the perpetrators are using fully automatic weapons and ballistic vests then you apply a completely different doctrine, and yes, the weapon load-out changes with the doctrine. Most would prefer to deal with the situation with diplomacy, then snipers first. Close range shootouts with heavily armed people only happen as a last resort.

    But we haven't encountered shoot outs with even semi-automatic pistols in awhile. I doubt you'll be seeing bulletproof armor coupled with fully automatic weapons here within your lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terence View Post
    You need to be a full member with the SGC in order to apply for a gun license which in turn will allow you to purchase a firearm. The club has used weapons which can be transferred from owner to owner. New weapons may be purchased through the various dealers handling firearm sales. The cost of most weapons are usually not that much, it's the handling and escort services which add to the cost of any purchase.

    As the gun range is only a pistol and competition rifle range, users are restricted to those types of arms.

    Additionally, you may also rent guns from the club though these are only factory zeroed and will require that you compensate for the inaccuracies in the sighting.
    Sigh.... Handling & Escort huh?

    I guess a Desert Eagle AE .50 costing abt USD$7K would end up abt having to pay abt SGD$10K for everything huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Terence
    The ranges are only 50m in length... we're talking about air rifles and .22 types.
    .22? So, basically limited to Glocks and S&Ws I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AQVA View Post
    imho... safety of the men going in would be of utmost importance, if the crooks r using auto weapons and wearing armour vest y shd the guys going in stick to sub-machinegun and 9mm? implementation of caliber and firearms type shd be based on mission requirements rite?
    Hmm in a built up area, rifles are pretty cumbersome and would be at a serious disadvantage against trained personnel with more balanced weaponry A well placed shot with a 9mm is as lethal as one shot with a 5.56 or 7.62. Moreover, law enforcement officers when tackling such situations are equipped with Bullet resistant vests that can be lined with ceramic plates against different kinds of firepower. Believe it or not, some can withstand even 7.62mm rounds.. of course, at a loss of mobility. Another useful protection is ballistic shields, which weighs...

    Criminals are usually not equipped with such protection, but they dun need to exercise any discretion to shoot anyone they please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m00nman26 View Post
    Go thailand shoot until you shiok shiok. Got most of the popular guns there
    Hmm.... Thailand to shoot?

    Any recommendation for arms range there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    .22? So, basically limited to Glocks and S&Ws I guess.
    He was talking about rifles. Pistol ranges are indoors and separate from the rifle ranges. There aren't any factory Glocks chambered for .22 anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmmtn4aj View Post
    He was talking about rifles. Pistol ranges are indoors and separate from the rifle ranges. There aren't any factory Glocks chambered for .22 anyway.
    My bad. Since firearms are so restricted around in this part of the world, knowledge on this area's pretty limited.

    BTW, any CSers interested?

    http://www.singaporeshooting.org/SampleShoot.pdf

    I've been asking around but somehow no one seems interested. Anyone interested?
    Last edited by jsbn; 20th June 2007 at 11:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teruranse View Post
    just a curious question gens... are our airports or any others areas like orchard road and mrt stations securities personnels trained to shoot in that environments where the chances of collateral damages are high? i mean are they fully train like the sas where split decision is critical to indentify good and bad guys? sas are train to shoot on instinct... but are ours?

    cheerz
    lol..Been told by a friend who has to select guys for MRT patrol.
    No special training lah BUT cannot be fat,etc..must look the part..

    However, how can u compare our patrolling security to SAS?Totally different mah...
    At least compare SOF to SAS still acceptable.
    Also u comparing Delta to SAS also different, SEALS are closing to SAS.
    Anyway, all these units never brag abt their job and what they've done, so no one knows and no use comparing..lol
    Last edited by firestone; 20th June 2007 at 12:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firestone View Post
    Also u comparing Delta to SAS also different, SEALS are closing to SAS.
    Anyway, all these units never brag abt their job and what they've done, so no one knows and no use comparing..lol
    All three are highly capable in the area of unconventional warfare. Very often, operators from each of those individual branches actually work together, the only real difference between DEVGRU (ST-Six) and SFOD-D is that DEVGRU is US Navy, while SFOD-D is US Army. DEVGRU also places a bigger emphasis on seaborne operations, using the sea as their main point of infiltration, exfiltration, and area of operation (seaborne counter-terrorist missions). This doesn't make DEVGRU 'better' than SFOD-D in any sense of the word. SFOD-D draws their operators from the US Army Rangers, themselves already considered an elite force. Those selected tend to have highly specialised skill-sets and a lot of experience in real-world combat, then they are put through a grueling selection and training process. All three groups are trained (and mostly applied) to conduct secret wars behind enemy lines, with countries that their respective nations aren't even supposed to be at war with.

    Before the US even entered Afghanistan, SFOD-D and Navy SEALs were being airdropped in with CIA operators and large suitcases of US dollars to bribe Mullahs and tribal leaders. Before both the first and second Gulf War, operators from those two units were dropped in to sabotage and disable enemy installations and vehicles, and point laser designators at potential targets so that when the war started, the bombers had beams for their laser guided bombs to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    My bad. Since firearms are so restricted around in this part of the world, knowledge on this area's pretty limited.

    BTW, any CSers interested?

    http://www.singaporeshooting.org/SampleShoot.pdf

    I've been asking around but somehow no one seems interested. Anyone interested?
    Well, knowledge can be obtained. There's always the internet and Jane's. I've always been a weapon fanatic, though the lack of chances to actually handle most of them.

    The main issue was the last shooting of a nut case at LSR reservoir, I guess some of you might remember that. He was shot at least 6 times or mebbe more ( I can't recall official figures) but he still tried to go after the 2 police officers. That was actually the time when I was figuring 2 - 3 HP rounds would have stopped him dead in the tracks instead of six 0.38 ball rounds....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmmtn4aj View Post
    All three are highly capable in the area of unconventional warfare. Very often, operators from each of those individual branches actually work together, the only real difference between DEVGRU (ST-Six) and SFOD-D is that DEVGRU is US Navy, while SFOD-D is US Army. DEVGRU also places a bigger emphasis on seaborne operations, using the sea as their main point of infiltration, exfiltration, and area of operation (seaborne counter-terrorist missions). This doesn't make DEVGRU 'better' than SFOD-D in any sense of the word. SFOD-D draws their operators from the US Army Rangers, themselves already considered an elite force. Those selected tend to have highly specialised skill-sets and a lot of experience in real-world combat, then they are put through a grueling selection and training process. All three groups are trained (and mostly applied) to conduct secret wars behind enemy lines, with countries that their respective nations aren't even supposed to be at war with.

    Before the US even entered Afghanistan, SFOD-D and Navy SEALs were being airdropped in with CIA operators and large suitcases of US dollars to bribe Mullahs and tribal leaders. Before both the first and second Gulf War, operators from those two units were dropped in to sabotage and disable enemy installations and vehicles, and point laser designators at potential targets so that when the war started, the bombers had beams for their laser guided bombs to follow.


    Actually, some consider the SFOD-D to be even more capable than the Navy SEALs. While the SEALs main function is to be a highly specialised, quick reactive and proactive force, SFOD-D operators are trained to be blend into a hostile environment. The hierachy within a Delta unit is very blurred, because operators refer to higher ranking members by names. This lack of formality is meant to allow operators to appear to be friends, tourists, adventurers even, within a hostile environment. The scene in the film Black Hawk Down where a Delta operator (Banna) is shown to be working alone and unarmed with the people who live in Mogadishu is a very accurate illustration of what Delta operators do in real life. They work within the local population to collect information on targets and subjects of interest. Delta operators have huge allowances compared to the rest of the regular armed forces. They grow beards, wear uniforms that really don't resemble anything like regularly US military garb (assuming they aren't simply fighting in civilian or local clothes) and use unconventinal weapons (Delta actually allows it's operators to select any gun they like from anywhere in the world to be kept in the base armoury as their primary weapons, as long as they aren't hard to acquire. want a Russian pistol? Not a problem, just fill in the request form).
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