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    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    It's good to hold fast to your ideals while submitting to the norms of the majority. This is called " agreeding to disagreed ", a gentlemanly behaviour of not forcing your views upon others. And yes, while some will appericate your transparent and polite way of being a critic, not all will see it your way and I wish you well.

    But, the below statement, I can't agreed with.



    1st
    Base on your idea of " proving your worth before you speak " ie, "show me your works if you want to critic other's work", what have you to show/prove to label other's action as ungentlemanly? Base on what rules or norm here do you claim to have the right to label others?
    To show or not to show is a personnal choice, which is an acceptable norm here and you have agreed to " humbly submit to the accepted norms by majority here ". If that is the case, why do you still label it as " ungentlemanly behaviour " ? Have you really humbly submit to the accepted norms by majority here?
    You can chose to disagreed with the accepted norm here but I think it's uncalled for, for you to label it as " ungentlemanly behaviour "

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    Why should we discourage this accepted norm here?
    There are many here who can take good images but don't post their work here or have a link to their work, should we discourage their particpation in giving out pointers? At the same time there are some who post very good images here, does that mean everything he/she said is the holy truth? Even if the critic giver can't shoot a decent image, if his views are valid, should it not be accepted?

    What we have to learn is to accept that everyone will have a diff. view. It's up to the one asking for critic to process the critics given and build on those he find valid.

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    Since you insist on " gentlemanly behaviour ",base on what do you claim to be worthy of moderating.
    Please, as a gentleman, show us the prove, bear in mind that the only and final prove of the title and authority of a moderator here in CS is from the Admins here.
    Base on your own idea of gentlemanly behaviour, please show us your claim to be able to moderate.
    Yqt, do you not know you make yourself look like a fool? What a silly way of behaviour and understanding. Clown

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotodaud View Post
    Yqt, do you not know you make yourself look like a fool? What a silly way of behaviour and understanding. Clown
    After all these threads about not requiring to prove, now YQT wants to bring everybody back to having to prove credentials, again??? Too much time at hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotodaud View Post
    Yqt, do you not know you make yourself look like a fool? What a silly way of behaviour and understanding. Clown
    No worries, you can have your opinion about me just like everyone here can have their own opinion about both of us. If you disagreed with me, fine, not a problem with me. All I know is that I've got more than a few CSers who PMed me, who don't think I'm a fool nor a clown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikontiger View Post
    After all these threads about not requiring to prove, now YQT wants to bring everybody back to having to prove credentials, again??? Too much time at hand.
    Maybe you've miss my points for one reason or another.

    Yes, you were right that I'm suggesting you prove your credentials, but that is only because you insisted that creadentials are necessary. Since that is your stand, should you not practise what you preach? That was my suggestion.

    Of course, you may chose to disagreed with me and that's fine. We're entilted to our opinion and I think we can chose to agreed to disagreed. I've accorded you the courtesy, and do hope for a gentlemanly gesture from you.

    Cheers

    BTW, No, I don't have too much time on my hands. Just that my clients ( from CAAS ) and I were reading through the whole thread while waiting for the replacement model to arrival. We just though that it would be appropriate to post my views.
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    Well, let me throw this into the fray so that we can get back on track.

    There is really only one question.

    Does a photography critic needs to demonstrate that he/she is a good, great or master photographer, before his/her critique will be taken seriously, and on the same note, does this critic has to be a good, great or master photographer inorder to criticise? Really, does a critic needs even to be a photogrpaher to criticise photographs?

    It's a simple yes or no answer.

    My answer is simple and direct. NO!
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    If One even couldn't accept the basis of transparency and weighting of one's credential, how could the Armchair Critiques or casual commentary's words be valued ?

    Adhering to One's ideology is fine, but putting down minority POV without conviction is lame.

    Having a majority held view is not always or necessary the truth. Neither is belonging to a small group of "unconventional believers" are wrong.
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    Default Re: What culture is it here??!!

    I vote no as well

    but do so with courtesy and tact

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    the beauty of the internet is that it gives anyone and everyone a voice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post
    Well, let me throw this into the fray so that we can get back on track.

    There is really only one question.

    Does a photography critic needs to demonstrate that he/she is a good, great or master photographer, before his/her critique will be taken seriously, and on the same note, does this critic has to be a good, great or master photographer inorder to criticise? Really, does a critic needs even to be a photogrpaher to criticise photographs?

    It's a simple yes or no answer.

    My answer is simple and direct. NO!


    This I agreed with
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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    the beauty of the internet is that it gives anyone and everyone a voice

    Yes, and some got more than 1 voice
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    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    Yes, and some got more than 1 voice

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    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    Yes, and some got more than 1 voice
    is that so ....

    that is not allowed you know

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    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    Yes, and some got more than 1 voice
    Hmm, one for B&S, one for critique, one for KPT, one for everything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    Yes, and some got more than 1 voice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    If One even couldn't accept the basis of transparency and weighting of one's credential, how could the Armchair Critiques or casual commentary's words be valued ?

    Adhering to One's ideology is fine, but putting down minority POV without conviction is lame.

    Having a majority held view is not always or necessary the truth. Neither is belonging to a small group of "unconventional believers" are wrong.
    Hey bro, i suppose u shoot wedding..let say ur clients have agreed to let u shoot their wedding after viewing ur portfolio..so after the AD u hand ur clients their photos for the AD..then ur clients feel its not up to their expectation from the portfolio viewed..and start giving negative comments and critiques..do u wanna ask them to show u how they will be shooting? No right? My POV is, art is subjective, it doesn't matter whether ur style of shooting is agreeable by the mass or only by urself..important thing is as a critique seeker, we must be humble, if the comments given are negative and not agreeable by u, just ignore them..but of course there are some nasty critique givers out there..there is one chinese saying - 人家气我,我不气,我诺气时,中他计。

    cheers..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    If One even couldn't accept the basis of transparency and weighting of one's credential, how could the Armchair Critiques or casual commentary's words be valued ?

    Adhering to One's ideology is fine, but putting down minority POV without conviction is lame.

    Having a majority held view is not always or necessary the truth. Neither is belonging to a small group of "unconventional believers" are wrong.
    What you are say is simply if I am not a good photographer, or if I have not demonstrated to the audience that I am a good photographer, my cirticism and comments should be valued less.

    This has nothting to do with transparency. What you are advocating is elitism.

    I take all criticisms of my pictures with a grain of salt, regardless of the source, I don't discriminate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    is that so ....

    that is not allowed you know


    Happened before
    so not surprise if it happen again
    and it will con't to happen

    Poor SU, Mod and Admin, so much work to do
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    Quote Originally Posted by arpinkor View Post
    Hmm, one for B&S, one for critique, one for KPT, one for everything else.
    that's another type of "Super User"
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    Quote Originally Posted by blazer_workz View Post
    Hey bro, i suppose u shoot wedding..let say ur clients have agreed to let u shoot their wedding after viewing ur portfolio..so after the AD u hand ur clients their photos for the AD..then ur clients feel its not up to their expectation from the portfolio viewed..and start giving negative comments and critiques..do u wanna ask them to show u how they will be shooting? No right? My POV is, art is subjective, it doesn't matter whether ur style of shooting is agreeable by the mass or only by urself..important thing is as a critique seeker, we must be humble, if the comments given are negative and not agreeable by u, just ignore them..but of course there are some nasty critique givers out there..there is one chinese saying - 人家气我,我不气,我诺气时,中他计。

    cheers..
    Thank you for your input.

    Quote Originally Posted by blazer_workz View Post
    ..do u wanna ask them to show u how they will be shooting? No right?
    Here's my say: If my quality of works are below Client's expectation, i'll will asked for her reasoning and will amend the artworks accordingly. Afterall, i don't fight and argue with money or with my wonderful Bosses ( wedding clients ), if they could pay, i'll shall deliver !!

    Having said that, mostly my premium wedding clients are people whom have done their research on my backgrounds and reputation, or knew about my good services for more than a year or more ... These days, i do selection on clients whom i would like to serve or work with ... :

    Art is subjective, but high quality portfolio and hard-earned credential are NOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post
    What you are say is simply if I am not a good photographer, or if I have not demonstrated to the audience that I am a good photographer, my cirticism and comments should be valued less.

    This has nothting to do with transparency. What you are advocating is elitism.

    I take all criticisms of my pictures with a grain of salt, regardless of the source, I don't discriminate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post
    What you are say is simply if I am not a good photographer, or if I have not demonstrated to the audience that I am a good photographer, my cirticism and comments should be valued less.
    Yes & No -- If you are not proven or validate as a proficient photographer or Photo Artist ( in whatever in your specific fields), your critiques on related photo works will be deem less valuable. However, if the Receiver knew the Critique Giver, in person or in private long-term exchanges, then YES, it will be quite valid, due to personal Trust, that built thru fellowship and sharings.


    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post
    This has nothting to do with transparency. What you are advocating is elitism.
    Advocating Elitism ? - NO. What i am proposing is Responsibility !

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    Last edited by Enchanted; 21st June 2007 at 12:50 PM.

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