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    Quote Originally Posted by garou12 View Post
    why don't you show us this place you're talking about so we can see for ourselves?
    hahahaha, it is very interesting that this war of CS spread through the Web and CSers conquer them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    I see a little bit of "herd mentality" at play here.

    Sure there will be opposing view somewhere else, just as there will be consensus.
    As i said he should show us this place he mentioned and we can see for ourselves. Prehaps the members there are more eloquent and are able to better articulate the pov that he is advocating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garou12 View Post
    As i said he should show us this place he mentioned and we can see for ourselves. Prehaps the members there are more eloquent and are able to better articulate the pov that he is advocating.
    ok..ok... Fair play... lets go there..... here got group bullying leh....
    Last edited by Silence Sky; 23rd June 2007 at 09:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Can I summarise to say that it is now your position that being a professional photographer is no longer a required status before critiques can be given.
    Referring to your above question: Based on your own conclusion of mine, that the idea or proposition, or having the Rights of Critique ( under certain pre-condition ) belongs to the Non-professional, too.

    My answer is -- Yes.



    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    It is now your position that possession of a good portfolio or a good track record of good critiques is necessary before his critique would be deemed worthy.
    Correction. It is NOT now -- but i am always in the view that, by having a Good Portfolio or a good track record of good critiques ( which is necessary ), before his Critique would be deemed worthy.



    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Do note Deadpoet's comment here:

    "All said, there is a common trap. If the critic has built a name for himself/herself, we frequent will defer to him/her, and take his/hers words for granted. This is very dangerous and counter productive!"
    This again, is his personal view on "Cult Following" pit-falls and plunder. Which in my view, find it sound and correct.

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    OK, quite a few guys at once, no need to quote for neatness sake. Life is not as simple as A or B, unlike to somebody. So, I can't answer this question, whether I've chosen A initially and now chosen B, its not so simple as that. What it is, is that initially, my stance is that, for those who wanted to critique, its better to show your portfolio here in CS, in order to enforce your critics about an image. But having seen so much furore and rather fervent views on this so far, I would humbly submit that, if you don't want to, its fine, you have a choice. However, that will not change the psychological make up of people, ie, we are creatures of sights , we tend to believe what we see. So whether you or I have the last words about this, it won't change anything towards the natural behaviour of humans.

    I will not tell you which sites, I think whoever wants to know, should have the discretion to PM me, and not make an issue out of it here in the forum, I can assure you, that I will respond to your mail, whether its satisfactory or not, I can't guarantee it. The critieria of such sites would require straight off, a strong portfolio, otherwise you are kindly invited to go elsewhere, so I don't think its good for you to go there to check it out, and embarass yourself internationally.

    There's no herd mentality in my moves, as some would like to say so, as I do not support your ways and views, even I had chosen the peaceful attitude of handling this forum here, I think this is the wise thing to do. As you can see, I am not swayed by your baseless imposition upon me, but I said, do as you wish, I am not the owner of this site.

    Its strange how some can always answer me, why I see things the way I see. After openly and disrespectfully trying to teach me about the things of life through a forum, I think its best that you PM me, and we deal with your unhappiness face to face outside here. I am inviting you not on unfriendly terms, but as a gentleman. And I would like such confrontation with moderators of the site kept in the loop.

    Any wise person reading this will know, that I have been an open member, one who shows portfolio and POV, and so, nobody needs to second guess what kind of person I am, whether they support me or not, I won't know. But I think, its better than those who are secretive about showing their works, who are not open and frank, and who deals with affairs in thug-like fashions..

    There seems a culture of no respect for the TS of threads here, hijacking of this thread is clearly seen here, and there's always an option for whoever wishes to start a thread anytime they want, fyi.
    Last edited by nikontiger; 24th June 2007 at 03:33 AM. Reason: typo

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    Edited : "This post is a repeat of the previous". Apologies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    hahahaha, it is very interesting that this war of CS spread through the Web and CSers conquer them all.
    You make me laugh, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Finally, a 180 degree reversal.
    Care to explain why you deem it as a 180degree reversal? I don't think by agreeing to that means he had abundant what his stance was all along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garou12 View Post
    As i said he should show us this place he mentioned and we can see for ourselves. Prehaps the members there are more eloquent and are able to better articulate the pov that he is advocating.
    And why would I do that? There are more eloquent members here in CS who are not participating in this thread, you aren't the best here like you make yourselves out to be, please Don't flatter yourselves lah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    ok..ok... Fair play... lets go there..... here got group bullying leh....
    You are not qualified as bullies, for neither I nor Enchanted have fear of you, as can be seen openly here, we are just being nice and don't wana waste time and effort in such childish squabbles.
    Last edited by nikontiger; 24th June 2007 at 04:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    Why are we seeking critiques/opinions for our pictures?
    When we make a photo, it is suppose to be in our liking or taste. Asking others photographers for comments, it is almost certain we will receive opposing views from them simply because they have their own styles and tastes which are different from our own. Is it we are seeking critiques to improve or to acquire techniques so that we can make pictures that appeal to the mass? In this sense ,will we end up as another clone photographer?

    Therefore my Questions:
    Why are we seeking critiques/opinions for our pictures?
    What are good critiques, and how do I identify the genuine from the fake?

    My personal view:
    A good critique is one that makes me realise my own mistakes when I think the picture I make is already good. It also stirs the creativity bits in you and leads you to create your own style eventually.

    It is my own duty to identify these points, I do not require the critiques giver to show me his/her qualification or prove his/her merit.

    I also feel that, asking for qualification is akin to saying, I cannot accept someone supposing of lower standard to show me the path to achieve divine enlightenment.
    I must say, that I agree with most parts of this post, lest the last segment. We are not dealing with religion or divine enlightenment here, its just photography, for goodness' sake. And yes, I filter the good and the bad critic, as was the majority arguments, and so there are those , people would deem as bad critic, by virtual of the fact that its coming from an unreliable source.

    However, if you choose to sway your life based on what every other people think of you, be it reliable or not, its your choice, and I sympathise with that.
    Last edited by nikontiger; 24th June 2007 at 05:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Well he's conveniently ignoring our points.

    I'll take it that he's still choosing to be entrenched in his POV then notwithstanding the robust rebuttals made. That's quite sad given the elitism but at least its enlightening to note that he's one of the few professionals who love to wave qualifications around.

    Thankfully not all professionals are liek this Maybe as you said, he is a businessman, everything done is to promote business and that professionals are superior to hobbyists.
    Robust rebuttal? Wow, you seem entrenched in your own self-love and elitism, its what I see you practicing here.

    Are you a business competitor of Enchanted here? Because it sure looks like you are trying to tear him down without much effect of course, but based on your supposed knowledge and judgement of the business situation and its attitudes, you seemed to be proving yourself to be so. Let your bitterness go, whatever that may be, or it'll kill your creativity you need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enchanted View Post
    In God we trust, but the rest -- Papers, Portfolio or Cash !!

    That's still my stand

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    Good one

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightning View Post
    May be the next time when you post you should say "Only those who has an online public portfolio may comment".
    A wise thing to do indeed But maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    Eikin:

    Nope, I am not trying to start a flame war, it has never cross my mind.
    Clubsnap is a nice place to visit after all and you are a good guy

    Wow, you could have fooled many here, its pretty obvious you've been flaming for quite a few posts already.

    I did not read about the many debates on issues about critique corner, this may be due to my selective reading.

    I do not think that critique corner is badly run either, in fact I find it educational at most times.

    OK, I can believe that, but then, look what happened next...

    As for the rules, I find that there is too many red tapes.
    I feel that as long the poster is courteous and respect the community, he or she could use whatever appropriate terms to express his/her thoughts and feelings.

    Nice squeeze of an attempt at smoothing out the edges of your dissatisfaction with the way things are run here...oh wow, you actually respect the community?

    Since we are not comfortable with this sub-line, lets stop it here.
    And what gives you the rights to suggest this stoppage? Hijacker

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    There are obviously individuals who are seeking commercial/business vengeance in CS, especially in this thread, posing as genuine contributors to threads, but actually creating chaos and malice in this environment. Its sad to see some genuine members who did not exercise better judgement and partake of this blood feast. Its pretty obvious from this threads, that some people change identity dishonorably here:

    Note change of name

    Note change of name

    Smurfman = Fotoudavid ??!!

    IMHO, I think somebody should put a stop to this by an investigation or lock this thread.

    I will be uncovering more from my own research.
    Last edited by nikontiger; 24th June 2007 at 05:10 AM.

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    Self love and eltisim? My position is that anyone can comment or critique - I wonder how that is interpreted as elitism since no particular class is favoured unlike your position.

    Am I a business competitor? Once again you assume too much - just becuase someone is at opposite with your position makes him a business competitor? I suppose that you view garou12, and Silence Sky as your business competitors.

    Wait a second, now that you are tryign to "tear me down", are you my business competitor?

    There is no correlation between bitterness (the presence of which is denied) and creativity - I wonder how you came to that. Both are separately independent concepts.

    Nice conclusions, though unfortunately, without any basis .

    Quote Originally Posted by nikontiger View Post
    Robust rebuttal? Wow, you seem entrenched in your own self-love and elitism, its what I see you practicing here.

    Are you a business competitor of Enchanted here? Because it sure looks like you are trying to tear him down without much effect of course, but based on your supposed knowledge and judgement of the business situation and its attitudes, you seemed to be proving yourself to be so. Let your bitterness go, whatever that may be, or it'll kill your creativity you need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikontiger View Post
    There are obviously individuals who are seeking commercial/business vengeance in CS, especially in this thread, posing as genuine contributors to threads, but actually creating chaos and malice in this environment. Its sad to see some genuine members who did not exercise better judgement and partake of this blood feast. Its pretty obvious from this threads, that some people change identity dishonorably here:

    Note change of name

    Note change of name

    Smurfman = Fotoudavid ??!!

    IMHO, I think somebody should put a stop to this by an investigation or lock this thread.

    I will be uncovering more from my own research.
    May I ask, what chaos and malice. Let me tell you the culture of CS. This thread had by and large for most of the time, been what CS should be.

    Many people expressed their opinions. differences were acknowledged, people moved along, and coninue the discussion to allow everyone to benefit to their thoughts and reasonning.

    A few times, things got heated, words were exchanged, but what chaos? How did you see malice. People agree and disagree. We all said things. We like some people and we dislike some people. That is life. MOst of us stand by what we said, and we agree to disagree.

    I have a question for you, what is the purpose of the post I quoted?

    I only see malice in the intent!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikontiger View Post
    And why would I do that? There are more eloquent members here in CS who are not participating in this thread, you aren't the best here like you make yourselves out to be, please Don't flatter yourselves lah
    eh i said you should show it to us. I didn't say that we should go there and start an arguement. I'm begining to think its wrong of you to think that just because you belong somewhere else too that you're automatically better than all of us here. You talk about us going elsewhere and embarassing ourselves don't you think you've been doing that to yourself here as well?
    Last edited by garou12; 24th June 2007 at 08:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikontiger View Post
    You are not qualified as bullies, for neither I nor Enchanted have fear of you, as can be seen openly here, we are just being nice and don't wana waste time and effort in such childish squabbles.
    The fact you keep replying to us and not stopping already shows that you're already engaged in what you call a childish squabble. Just because people don't share your pov and refuse to be silent about it doesn't give you the right to start with the name calling.
    Last edited by garou12; 24th June 2007 at 08:54 AM.

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