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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    i believe the moderator of this section deleted your post. to answer your question, guidelines in critique corner are tailored to reflect the tendencies and needs of postings. the issues of critique corner have been debated many times, i don't see you raising your doubts in the countless discussions, so are you trying to be an opportunist and ignite some kind of flaming here? you've been in this forum long enough to know that there's a feedback section. if you think critique corner is badly run and should be conducted in another fashion, you are always welcomed to volunteer your service to maintain the section, whether the admin will allow you to do that is another question.
    Eikin:

    Nope, I am not trying to start a flame war, it has never cross my mind.
    Clubsnap is a nice place to visit after all and you are a good guy

    I did not read about the many debates on issues about critique corner, this may be due to my selective reading.

    I do not think that critique corner is badly run either, in fact I find it educational at most times.

    As for the rules, I find that there is too many red tapes.
    I feel that as long the poster is courteous and respect the community, he or she could use whatever appropriate terms to express his/her thoughts and feelings.

    Since we are not comfortable with this sub-line, lets stop it here.
    Last edited by Silence Sky; 22nd June 2007 at 12:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    Eikin:

    Nope, I am not trying to start a flame war, it has never cross my mind.
    Clubsnap is a nice place to visit after all and you are a good guy

    I did not read about the many debates on issues about critique corner, this may be due to my selective reading.

    I do not think that critique corner is badly run either, in fact I find it educational at most times.

    As for the rules, I find that there is too many red tapes.
    I feel that as long the poster is courteous and respect the community, he or she could use whatever apporpriate terms to express his/her thoughts and feelings.

    Since we are not comfortable with this sub-line, lets stop it here.
    i can be very frank with you that i take issues with critique corner seriously, alot of moderators and SUs have invested alot of effort trying to make the section work for this community, not because we're so bored to waste time on it. personally speaking, i've many experiences of critique work myself and i see alot of wasted opportunities inside CS because of the lack of a working system to guide critique work, given the membership base and capabilities demonstrated by CS members, we believe that we can do better than what we have now. and personally i also take offense in people trying to take sections of the literature found inside critique corner out of context and start some pseudo crusade in the name of free speech. freedom is not the freedom to do whatever you want, freedom is the right to act while respecting others' freedom. respect is key to critique, and also forum activity. offering pictures made with little effort is disrespectful to the critics. posting casual and inconsequential remarks and passing them off as critique is disrespectful to the critique seeker.
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    And you created this account just to post this?

    He is not contradicting himself, this is called paying someone back with his own coin.

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    You contradict yourself, if you ask for credentials from Nikontiger, aren't you suggesting that that is the correct attitude?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince;
    And you created this account just to post this?

    He is not contradicting himself, this is called paying someone back with his own coin.
    This is newbies section, right? TS subscribed to majority views, and had posted big fonts. He is entitled to his views with equal rights as anyone here. This seems very malicious and revengeful. After all, he is advocating fairplay and openness, there is nothing wrong on that. But the thread mutates into this messy state . I may not agree with his ideas, but I respect his guts and tenacity, and standing for his beliefs unlike many followers I can see here. I'm new member, but not new man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    i can be very frank with you that i take issues with critique corner seriously, alot of moderators and SUs have invested alot of effort trying to make the section work for this community, not because we're so bored to waste time on it. personally speaking, i've many experiences of critique work myself and i see alot of wasted opportunities inside CS because of the lack of a working system to guide critique work, given the membership base and capabilities demonstrated by CS members, we believe that we can do better than what we have now. and personally i also take offense in people trying to take sections of the literature found inside critique corner out of context and start some pseudo crusade in the name of free speech. freedom is not the freedom to do whatever you want, freedom is the right to act while respecting others' freedom. respect is key to critique, and also forum activity. offering pictures made with little effort is disrespectful to the critics. posting casual and inconsequential remarks and passing them off as critique is disrespectful to the critique seeker.

    Yes, I agree with your initiatives, they meant to do good for this community.
    I can also see that you and your team are trying hard to raise the standard of the critique corner and also the reputation of clubsnap as a whole. Your results are good.

    I see photography as an art work, no two pictures are created the same. A technically correct picture may not be captivating. Likewise a nice picture can have many technical flaws. It is very difficult for a lay person like me to give proper critiques that are up to the stipulated standard, but I would like to give encouragement and tell the critique seeker that his/her picture is beautiful and has charmed me. For an example, how would you describe love? Very difficult to say, right? But I will say it is a wonderful feeling just as I would say it is a wonderful picture when the picture capture my soul.
    Is it a bad thing to have both professional critiques and simple words of encouragement in the Critique Coner?
    But, according to Wolfgang, you are still the boss and you lay the rules and we play according to the rules be it fair or not.
    I respect you for taking your time to clarify your stands.

    Freedom is a must for a forum to thrive. I am not saying freedom to burn down clubsnap. Like you say, practice freedom in the right context. Merely agreeing with Deadpoet on the freedom to express earns me a warning proper from Wolfgang. I find it hilarious and over reaction from that mod and it is going to set back some of the good works you all have done for this forum.
    Last edited by Silence Sky; 22nd June 2007 at 01:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcnally View Post
    This is newbies section, right? TS subscribed to majority views, and had posted big fonts. He is entitled to his views with equal rights as anyone here. This seems very malicious and revengeful. After all, he is advocating fairplay and openness, there is nothing wrong on that. But the thread mutates into this messy state . I may not agree with his ideas, but I respect his guts and tenacity, and standing for his beliefs unlike many followers I can see here. I'm new member, but not new man.
    you be careful, later kana warning proper, like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    you be careful, later kana warning proper, like me.
    Take it like a man, there's nothing you and him have in common.

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    This is a flame thread.................................and some how, 有人活在自欺欺人的世界里。
    Eat breath LIVERPOOL!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    Yes, I agree with your initiatives, they meant to do good for this community.
    I can also see that you and your team are trying hard to raise the standard of the critique corner and also the reputation of clubsnap as a whole. Your results are good.

    I see photography as an art work, no two pictures are created the same. A technically correct picture may not be captivating. Likewise a nice picture can have many technical flaws. It is very difficult for a lay person like me to give proper critiques that are up to the stipulated standard, but I would like to give encouragement and tell the critique seeker that his/her picture is beautiful and has charmed me. For an example, how would you describe love? Very difficult to say, right? But I will say it is a wonderful feeling just as I would say it is a wonderful picture when the picture capture my soul.
    Is it a bad thing to have both professional critiques and simple words of encouragement in the Critique Coner?
    But, according to Wolfgang, you are still the boss and you lay the rules and we play according to the rules be it fair or not.
    I respect you for taking your time to clarify your stands.

    Freedom is a must for a forum to thrive. I am not saying freedom to burn down clubsnap. Like you say, practice freedom in the right context. Merely agreeing with Deadpoet on the freedom to express earns me a warning proper from Wolfgang. I find it hilarious and over reaction from that mod and it is going to set back some of the good works you all have done for this forum.
    is it a bad thing to have simple words of encouragement in critique corner? yes it is, like i mentioned, as proven by the past postings in critique corner.

    if you want me to allow 1-liners like ''nice,'' ''i like it'' to be posted in critique corner, i will have to allow words like ''sucks,'' ''trash quality'' to be posted as well. they are all abstract description of feelings derived from viewing the pictures. if you want to give simple words of encouragement it's not like there's no other channel, what's the private message function for? the guidelines of critique corner forces people to make posts with better quality than ''nice'' and ''sucks'' not only for critique seeker's benefit, the critique giver himself/herself learns in the process of writing as well.

    you should look at how you took DP's words out of context as well. DP posted in response to TS's behaviour in this thread http://clubsnap.com/forums/showpost....&postcount=218, you quoted him out of context and in an unreasonable manner like TS question the moderation of the forum http://clubsnap.com/forums/showpost....&postcount=236

    you think this kind of rude forum behaviour is acceptable?

    set back the work done? the only people who can set back the work done are people who have nothing better to contribute except trouble to the forum. that includes the couple of clones found inside this thread.
    Last edited by eikin; 22nd June 2007 at 08:07 AM.

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    Are you suggesting that both are the same person?


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    all i can see is that he suggests that "alot of people see what you're trying to do."

    there is no reference to any other statement

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    Yea, but he quotes two accounts, and refers to them collectively as "you're".

    Perhaps if that is not the intention, it would be better referred to as "both of you are"

    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    all i can see is that he suggests that "alot of people see what you're trying to do."

    there is no reference to any other statement

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    you might have a point there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcnally View Post
    You contradict yourself, if you ask for credentials from Nikontiger, aren't you suggesting that that is the correct attitude?
    Quote Originally Posted by yqt
    Maybe you've miss my points for one reason or another.

    Yes, you were right that I'm suggesting you prove your credentials, but that is only because you insisted that creadentials are necessary. Since that is your stand, should you not practise what you preach? That was my suggestion.

    Of course, you may chose to disagreed with me and that's fine. We're entilted to our opinion and I think we can chose to agreed to disagreed. I've accorded you the courtesy, and do hope for a gentlemanly gesture from you.
    No, I didn't contradict myself.
    Niknotiger is the one who belives that credentials are necessary. Thant being the case, I'm just asking him to back his belives and practise what he preach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ortega View Post
    all i can see is that he suggests that "alot of people see what you're trying to do."

    there is no reference to any other statement
    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Yea, but he quotes two accounts, and refers to them collectively as "you're".

    Perhaps if that is not the intention, it would be better referred to as "both of you are"
    Ortega, never try to argue with our resident word smith about word smithing, vince is good

    then I wonder, since us mortal out here does not have access to all the data, are those 2 the same person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post
    Ortega, never try to argue with our resident word smith about word smithing, vince is good

    then I wonder, since us mortal out here does not have access to all the data, are those 2 the same person?
    what me argue? no lah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post
    Ortega, never try to argue with our resident word smith about word smithing, vince is good

    then I wonder, since us mortal out here does not have access to all the data, are those 2 the same person?
    Yes, other than the " now no longer around Student ", vince is another who's good.



    Regarding the 2 new CS members here, the 2 of them questioned my postings, and I'm fine with it, I think I've answered them, in the proper manner.

    If they don't know nikontiger, it's a good chance for me to explain things to them.

    If they do know nikontiger, sorry guys, didn't work.

    If you really know nikontiger and post that in support of him, I think it backfired.
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    Actually contrary to popular opinion, I believe that Student is still around surfing the forums, although he is no longer posting.

    His user profile shows him being logged in recently.

    Quote Originally Posted by yqt View Post
    Yes, other than the " now no longer around Student ", vince is another who's good.



    Regarding the 2 new CS members here, the 2 of them questioned my postings, and I'm fine with it, I think I've answered them, in the proper manner.

    If they don't know nikontiger, it's a good chance for me to explain things to them.

    If they do know nikontiger, sorry guys, didn't work.

    If you really know nikontiger and post that in support of him, I think it backfired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    Actually contrary to popular opinion, I believe that Student is still around surfing the forums, although he is no longer posting.

    His user profile shows him being logged in recently.
    That's good to hear. I do miss his postings.
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