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    Lets not stray into KB and SLCC.

    The gossip here is Society politics leh .

    wherever there are people, there will be politics. Now I understand why there are photographers who do not want to align themselves with the society.

    I do not understand the history behind the societies. How relevant are they in today's internet age? Any seniors can help to answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    I wish I have a stake in the new school, but I don't leh. want to sponsor me?

    I guess I am not up to it yet. You really flatter me. i am still trying to perfect my panning skills now.
    Hi true–photographer,
    After reading your initial post I thought
    This is could be the first time you join a society AGM.?
    If not you will not be surprised by the true as, voting is always an emotional event in any society AGM.
    Member attend the AGM to vote for their prefer nominees, to listen to the society report, and to question the society spending, accounting etc. From what you describe, obviously they were some members object to the nomination.

    May I ask your original purpose of joining the society was to learn or share photography or to see if the society conducts AGM quietly?

    Now you decided to leave the society because you feel it has not benefit your photography know how or you are disgusted, not happy with the way the AGM was conducted, or the people you nominated were not elected. Well for a moment I thought for what ever reason it’s your choice and expectation of the society. That is perfectly normal.

    But on further reading, I get the impression that you are also playing politics (whether intentionally or not I am not sure) trying to rally support for your guru by revealing here your sympathy for him and you think he has wasted his time in the society. Your open support for his move to start his own school to offer the similar courses as the society. You think he is indispensable; the society cannot move on without him why because the society will not able find teacher to conduct courses and eventually lose membership and revenue? I think you did not done your Guru any good by openly supported him without really understand his real reason. Instead you might have complicated the knot within his society and undone all his contribution to the society. You have just added more water into the frying pan.

    This is my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    yeah, we all know that sis.

    who? who are they?

    and the gang of 5 or 6 dun post their deep admiration online and talk abt his degree in wat engineering and his ability to wat break this or that down and all that jargons?

    oh my!!


    oh yeah, dun we all, sis?
    Errr, the beautiful thing about the groups formed is the wide age gap. I am probably the second youngest and the oldest is 60 over years old.

    Sometimes, sometimes, we need some effort to teach my Uncles to use clubsnap.

    And not everyone are like us got so much time to go forum and post threads lor. Frankly, it is also not easy to keep the gang together as all of us have our own commitments. Some gave birth, some stationed overseas.....

    Being anonymous is the highlight of forum. I supposed I do not need to post my real name or the names of my gang in this thread.

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    this is getting like an infomercial !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    yeah, we all know that sis.

    who? who are they?

    oh my!!

    oh yeah, dun we all, sis?

    something's... hmmm... weird.

    u mean to say he's the only GOOD mentor there?

    if he is really 'that' faithful and true, y leave the society in the first place?

    he should be channeling his energy and effort, as u haf said so, into his works instead of politics!

    so, in the end, his students are the one to suffer.

    oh yes, i'm sure the society will be back with a bang.

    u mean u've been hoodwinked all along? i still remember a few threads ago, u were singing the praises of this society, promoting it and the mentioned instructor.

    hmmmmmmm... and now it has come full circle?

    aren't we all political, with u urself included?
    my advice to u would be not to continue slamming the mentioned society and to lay off ur assaults.


    the coin has 2 sides. obviously, some of us do too.
    Anonymous is the highlight of the forum. It is like asking who are you?

    There is another good photo clinic instructor Uncle Lim (not teaching any classes) who used to help me in photo clinic on Friday who was voted out.

    Looks like you really have no clue of what happened at the AGM, as anyone with a sane mind will feel disgusted and have the urge to share with the rest. Were you there?

    Another ugly truth I realised is the difference between an artist and an artist running an organisation, this is also why I refused to join the Council, as if I can get voted in. I am just a very very very low profile small fry. What we heard at the AGM is something like "this guy is too inexperienced due to his young age and we need someone with experience to be in so and so position". Lucky I was not that poor chap who got bombarded by some members. Would you like to be part of it? Election is a cruel game, especially they are all volunteers.

    Artist can channel their energy into their WORKS of masterpiece, while artist running an organisation channel their energy into their WORK.

    At least he is out with his new school for some reasons, we are glad that other students can continue to enjoy his teachings.

    We told him to let go and enjoy himself. We think he has been over loyal to the Society that he is often being taken advantage of. He can be very stubborn when it comes to loyalty. Blind loyalty to the Society? For a while, I was like that too for the Society. There was once when we helped to insert flyers into envelopes and paste stamps (seems neverending, with so many members), to deliver the mailers at the post office at 1am! But I woke up.

    Put yourself in his shoes. We think he deserves the break.

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    I also don't feel this is an assault, but a gossip of what happen there. Isn't this kopitiam gossip talk corner? Somehow I really wish that we did not attend the AGM and not know the truth. This will mean we will be blinded by the so called loyalty?

    Whether that Society comes back with a bang or bong, no one knows. Only time can tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alvinchuan View Post
    But on further reading, I get the impression that you are also playing politics (whether intentionally or not I am not sure) trying to rally support for your guru by revealing here your sympathy for him and you think he has wasted his time in the society. Your open support for his move to start his own school to offer the similar courses as the society. You think he is indispensable; the society cannot move on without him why because the society will not able find teacher to conduct courses and eventually lose membership and revenue? I think you did not done your Guru any good by openly supported him without really understand his real reason. Instead you might have complicated the knot within his society and undone all his contribution to the society. You have just added more water into the frying pan.

    This is my 2 cents.
    well said

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    a truth love story

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    Quote Originally Posted by alvinchuan View Post
    Hi true–photographer,
    After reading your initial post I thought
    This is could be the first time you join a society AGM.?
    If not you will not be surprised by the true as, voting is always an emotional event in any society AGM.
    Member attend the AGM to vote for their prefer nominees, to listen to the society report, and to question the society spending, accounting etc. From what you describe, obviously they were some members object to the nomination.

    May I ask your original purpose of joining the society was to learn or share photography or to see if the society conducts AGM quietly?

    Now you decided to leave the society because you feel it has not benefit your photography know how or you are disgusted, not happy with the way the AGM was conducted, or the people you nominated were not elected. Well for a moment I thought for what ever reason it’s your choice and expectation of the society. That is perfectly normal.

    But on further reading, I get the impression that you are also playing politics (whether intentionally or not I am not sure) trying to rally support for your guru by revealing here your sympathy for him and you think he has wasted his time in the society. Your open support for his move to start his own school to offer the similar courses as the society. You think he is indispensable; the society cannot move on without him why because the society will not able find teacher to conduct courses and eventually lose membership and revenue? I think you did not done your Guru any good by openly supported him without really understand his real reason. Instead you might have complicated the knot within his society and undone all his contribution to the society. You have just added more water into the frying pan.

    This is my 2 cents.
    Ok OK, me and my big mouth. Me young auntie big mouth, sori sori.

    Nope, this is not my first AGM, but this round is a bit too much for most of us. This is my second AGM. The last round got no election and pretty peaceful.

    Of course, during the cofeeshop talk after photo clinic, we can hear something about past elections in the very old days being very very political. Even without him at the coffeeshop talk, gossips were flying with back stabs, not just to him but also to a few others. I was shocked.

    We are actually disgusted at the way the AGM was conducted. Perhaps we are not familiar with the constitutions or whatever they call it, we have hardly heard of nominations being closed with positions returned unopposed (as stated on the noticeboard) and reopen again, and lead to all the hoo haa that day. This is no secret as it will be minuted afterall to be sent to members, not sure how many are clubsnappers. Not sure how it will be censored.

    Hmmm, this kopitiam gossip is gossip and personal opinion. Yes, yes, we sympathise with him. I tend to be more vocal at times. We have been members since 2005. We saw the rapid progress. It is a pity that it has to end this way. whether or not the Society can continue to gain more membership or make more money, depends on the new team. Need to find a stubborn loyal person to replace him.

    Nothing can stop his students being supportive of him, if he is really good. To be fair to him, his services to the Society is recognised by many. To be fair to him, we do not mind keeping our mouth shut to preserve his honour if gossip in kopitiam can be so bad. To be fair to the Society, we also heard over coffeeshop talk about this person right at the top but also a frequent victim of Friday coffeeshop back stabbing. But.... Truth is truth.

    Once again, we really hope the AGM never took place that way and we really wish that things were back to normal. But dreams are dreams, reality is reality. "Politics build dreams and yet destroy dreams". This was what my Aussie Prof told me.

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    as usual, this is an open forum. We have to be transparent and open, as mentioned by the chairman that day. We heard it. I don't see how these can complicate the knot or undo his contributions, unless there are really knots? Truth hurts? We are unable to spot the knots despite the chaos, are you able to? Unless you have first hand info which we do not?

    He refused to tell us his reasons no matter how we squeeze him and we respect him. His loyalty is something else which gain our respect for him.

    Once again, this is kopitiam gossip. Me very sleepy now. Shall be off to Langkawi. My gossip shall stop here. Lets end the thread since it is going a bit off track.

    The concluding liner is where there are people, there will be politics. This is no doubt an interesting thread. I did not sympathise with myself for not helping him in his newsletters despite his frantic search for young blood. It is my choice.

    For every side of a coin, there is a positive and negative face as mentioned by one Clubsnapper.

    This thread can be a classic case study for my juniors in Kangeroo land.

    How I wish one day, there will be an entity where people work well together. Lets find this dream, if it ever takes place.

    For anyone who find this young auntie irritating, apologies lor once again. This is the vocal me . There will be some who agrees and disagrees. This is the human world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alvinchuan View Post
    Hi true–photographer,
    After reading your initial post I thought
    This is could be the first time you join a society AGM.?
    If not you will not be surprised by the true as, voting is always an emotional event in any society AGM.
    Member attend the AGM to vote for their prefer nominees, to listen to the society report, and to question the society spending, accounting etc. From what you describe, obviously they were some members object to the nomination.

    May I ask your original purpose of joining the society was to learn or share photography or to see if the society conducts AGM quietly?

    Now you decided to leave the society because you feel it has not benefit your photography know how or you are disgusted, not happy with the way the AGM was conducted, or the people you nominated were not elected. Well for a moment I thought for what ever reason it’s your choice and expectation of the society. That is perfectly normal.

    But on further reading, I get the impression that you are also playing politics (whether intentionally or not I am not sure) trying to rally support for your guru by revealing here your sympathy for him and you think he has wasted his time in the society. Your open support for his move to start his own school to offer the similar courses as the society. You think he is indispensable; the society cannot move on without him why because the society will not able find teacher to conduct courses and eventually lose membership and revenue? I think you did not done your Guru any good by openly supported him without really understand his real reason. Instead you might have complicated the knot within his society and undone all his contribution to the society. You have just added more water into the frying pan.

    This is my 2 cents.

    Actually, this is not just well said but almost spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    Being anonymous is the highlight of forum. I supposed I do not need to post my real name or the names of my gang in this thread.

    Well, I'm not new to this forum but I've never really needed an account until now.



    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    as usual, this is an open forum. We have to be transparent and open, as mentioned by the chairman that day. We heard it. I don't see how these can complicate the knot or undo his contributions, unless there are really knots? Truth hurts? We are unable to spot the knots despite the chaos, are you able to? Unless you have first hand info which we do not?

    I'm in that society, and I've first hand information as to what is going on. If you do not know the whole truth, I think you should not spread gossip and proceed to make untrue statements.



    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    What disgusted me during the AGM which I attended was I read at the notice board at the Society that the nomination was closed with the key positions returned unopposed. I went to the gallery where the AGM was convened to see a big crowd of about 50 people, and I am surprised that the nomination was thrown open again and there it began a series of chaos and free for all nominations across the gallery, with shoutings and excitement like some sort of playground but filled with adults, and like some 7th month bidding exercise. And what surprised us was that those who were originally returned unopposed in the key positions were suddenly replaced with those people who are actually contesting for the Council member position, and those who are supposedly returned unopposed for the key council positions ended up being elected into the Council position. Seemed like some tactical move done deliberately..

    How could those whom you term "returned unopposed" not be holding the respective posts in the first place? In fact, one whom you term "returned unopposed" was not in the original council at all.



    Quote Originally Posted by alvinchuan View Post
    Hi true–photographer,
    From what you describe, obviously they were some members object to the nomination.

    "The nomination was thrown open again" because of the above reason. Apparently, there were talks that Lord Sidious fixed the whole list for his own benefit. Well, Truth-Photographer, you should know who the person is. He is the "Lord Sidious who controls it all behind the scenes" people are talking about. If you don't, can you handle the truth?

    Is it not fair and square those appointed eventually won by vote counts after nomination was "thrown open" again? If you notice, those who "returned unopposed" lost by quite a fair margin to the eventual vote winners. If they were that popular to be "returned unopposed", would they not win easily?



    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    i don't mean that. i can't help but notice the excessively biased postings ... almost like hardselling. and the way you put down SLCC the last time round, calling the people there dishonest and such and then never returning to give any explanation ... and this time round, seems like you're trying to be elusive, wanting to say but not saying and waiting for members to dig out the information. there're other non ex-co PSS members around CS also, but so far haven't heard any complaints other than this one, if the situation is as bad as you've described it it'll probably create a wave of heated postings in kopitiam already given the fact that most regular CS members have heard about PSS.

    that's the impression i get.

    I somehow get the impression too that Truth-Photographer is under the "force" of Lord Sidious to post all these to stir up emotions. Perhaps trying to create the wave of heated postings in CS 'she' or Lord Sidious so desired. Perhaps Lord Sidious' election plan was foiled and so all these postings. Perhaps the thread starter is Lord Sidious himself.

    Guess we'll never know, even so if the name is Truth-Photographer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by advox View Post
    I somehow get the impression too that Truth-Photographer is under the "force" of Lord Sidious to post all these to stir up emotions. Perhaps trying to create the wave of heated postings in CS 'she' or Lord Sidious so desired. Perhaps Lord Sidious' election plan was foiled and so all these postings. Perhaps the thread starter is Lord Sidious himself.

    Guess we'll never know, even so if the name is Truth-Photographer.
    good observation, i think there's such a possibility.

    firstly, i must say i'm not affliated to PSS, neither to other organisations mentioned by truth-photographer to have found her postings wierd, they are just absurdly biased and impossible not to raise suspicion.

    secondly, i believe you created this account to try to offer alternative perspective, but that already is against the rule in CS -> http://forums.clubsnap.org/showpost....16&postcount=4

    anyway it's up to the admin and moderators to decide who broke the rules here, just raising this rule as a reminder.

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    i would think of her (TS) as my Padme Amidala, Queen of Naboo and i, Anakin Skywalker (the one before turning to Dark Force 8}).

    This is one outspoken lady...i like it.....

    anyway, in short...politices is just everywhere...even in CS! me now better get back to work...offical 8am....

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    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    I wish I have a stake in the new school, but I don't leh. want to sponsor me?

    I guess I am not up to it yet. You really flatter me. i am still trying to perfect my panning skills now.
    reading what u've typed here so far, can't blame me for having the thinking that u haf a part in this new sch!

    as u said, anonymity is the rule of the game and even if u've a stake in the school, who will know?

    running a school doesn't require one to haf a certain skill or technique, jus some funds or otherwise.

    sponsor u? why dun u ask ur guru or ur gang of 5 or 6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    Errr, the beautiful thing about the groups formed is the wide age gap. I am probably the second youngest and the oldest is 60 over years old.

    Sometimes, sometimes, we need some effort to teach my Uncles to use clubsnap.

    And not everyone are like us got so much time to go forum and post threads lor. Frankly, it is also not easy to keep the gang together as all of us have our own commitments. Some gave birth, some stationed overseas.....

    Being anonymous is the highlight of forum. I supposed I do not need to post my real name or the names of my gang in this thread.
    oh yes, then get the younger ones to back up ur claim of 5 or 6.

    the older ones haf the presence of mind to learn digital fotography but not learning how to use the internet? dun forget, its the D70/s workshop that u attended along with the gang of 5 or 6.

    oh yes and some uncles gif birth and stationed overseas..

    well, i'm sure most already know who u're but u may continue worshipping 'ur guru' and praise him to the highest heavens along with his degree cert and his ability to break down watever jargons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    Anonymous is the highlight of the forum. It is like asking who are you?
    i'm cheesecake and i love Liverpool F.C as well as chilli crabs and durians.

    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    There is another good photo clinic instructor Uncle Lim (not teaching any classes) who used to help me in photo clinic on Friday who was voted out.
    oh man, wat is uncle lim compared to 'ur guru'? the main thing is not uncle lim but 'ur guru' who din't get much luck with the throw of the dice. side stories, we'ren't that keen.

    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    Looks like you really have no clue of what happened at the AGM, as anyone with a sane mind will feel disgusted and have the urge to share with the rest. Were you there?
    oh yes, hell right. i've no interest in wat happened to ur AGM or ur society and probably wouldn't even bother if not for the fact that i detected something fishy with ur comments and ur assaults on the society and ur 'oh-so-subtle' promotion of 'ur guru' and the new sch he is setting up..

    guess what? how come u're the only member from the society to be posting here if its really all that 'disgusting and insane' with the voting results?

    tell me why, sis.

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    Another ugly truth I realised is the difference between an artist and an artist running an organisation, this is also why I refused to join the Council, as if I can get voted in. I am just a very very very low profile small fry. What we heard at the AGM is something like "this guy is too inexperienced due to his young age and we need someone with experience to be in so and so position". Lucky I was not that poor chap who got bombarded by some members. Would you like to be part of it? Election is a cruel game, especially they are all volunteers.
    volunteers? kid me not. surely they get some niceties.

    i'm sure u are what u claimed to be, a very very very low profile small fry, but a very very very low profile small fry who can stir up in CS and post his, oops, i mean her grievances online.

    and i'm so sure that 'this guy is too inexperienced due to his young age and we need someone with experience to be in so and so position' is referring to 'ur guru'.

    oh my, how i pity him.

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    Artist can channel their energy into their WORKS of masterpiece, while artist running an organisation channel their energy into their WORK.
    well sis, u got me there. i really dun understand wat u're trying to say there.

    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    At least he is out with his new school for some reasons, we are glad that other students can continue to enjoy his teachings.
    oh here we go again. yes. sure.

    for world peace!


    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    We told him to let go and enjoy himself. We think he has been over loyal to the Society that he is often being taken advantage of. He can be very stubborn when it comes to loyalty. Blind loyalty to the Society? For a while, I was like that too for the Society. There was once when we helped to insert flyers into envelopes and paste stamps (seems neverending, with so many members), to deliver the mailers at the post office at 1am! But I woke up.

    Put yourself in his shoes. We think he deserves the break.

    tell me abt loyalty!! pls!! i really feel like laughing out so loud!


    yes! u n him deserves a break. and CSers deserve a laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    as usual, this is an open forum. We have to be transparent and open, as mentioned by the chairman that day. We heard it. I don't see how these can complicate the knot or undo his contributions, unless there are really knots? Truth hurts? We are unable to spot the knots despite the chaos, are you able to? Unless you have first hand info which we do not?
    r u being transparent?


    truth hurts, i'm sure u know it. in fact, soon u'll feel it and know it all.


    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    He refused to tell us his reasons no matter how we squeeze him and we respect him. His loyalty is something else which gain our respect for him.

    of cos he or u is loyal, oh yeah we all know. u said it so many times.

    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    Once again, this is kopitiam gossip. Me very sleepy now. Shall be off to Langkawi. My gossip shall stop here. Lets end the thread since it is going a bit off track.
    oh! convenient escape! the last we'll hear from u, won't it be?


    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    The concluding liner is where there are people, there will be politics. This is no doubt an interesting thread. I did not sympathise with myself for not helping him in his newsletters despite his frantic search for young blood. It is my choice.
    and where there's ppl, there'll be politics and oh yes, a few dumb droids and a whole lot of clever online forum members.

    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    For every side of a coin, there is a positive and negative face as mentioned by one Clubsnapper.
    there might be 2 sides to every human being!


    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    This thread can be a classic case study for my juniors in Kangeroo land.
    It's Australia. and by the way, u graduated 2 years ago, in case it slipped ur mind. oops?


    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    How I wish one day, there will be an entity where people work well together. Lets find this dream, if it ever takes place.
    it's call heaven. and yeah, i see now why u keep praising 'ur guru' to the highest heavens! hahahahaha


    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    For anyone who find this young auntie irritating, apologies lor once again. This is the vocal me . There will be some who agrees and disagrees. This is the human world.
    and hell yeah, we all know u're a woman. make no mistake abt it, droid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by truth-photographer View Post
    Interesting, of couse I am a lady lah.

    Some of the clubsnappers have been to outings with me. One of the ang mohs even brought me out for a short coaching session which I thank him as I did "learn" something.

    Hmmm, if you consider what I am doing is infactuation, I think guru should be more than glad to hear that as I am not the only one supporting him. The gang of us have 5 ladies and 6 guys, just that I have an account in clubsnap. So, 5 ladies and 6 guys infactuated with guru? And I am sure we are not the only group who support him. There are many others, be it big or small. I think the better word might be "support" and friendship. Yeah, call this politics too! This is why all of us decided to quit after some discussion and shoot happily over the weekend.

    Friendship through photography is something we treasure and hope to keep it going.
    Hmm... Infatuation?

    Well, each of us are our own students & teachers I feel. This might seem like an extremely immodest comment but...

    "What the teacher teaches are dead, the students bring it to life as with the teacher, with his own teachings. The Teacher is the Student, the student is the teacher. The difference between teacher & student is the wisdom lying between both."

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceMocha View Post
    Dictatorship lor.....you should be very familiar....
    Even in dictatorship, there's politics too.

    The politics of self that is.

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