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    Quote Originally Posted by picky View Post
    ... plus her uniform (left and right pocket) can put in pencils and pens.
    don't know for what?
    For drawing on enemy face once they are down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmmtn4aj View Post
    Yep, but certainly not as much as rifle rounds or more powerful handgun ammunition, like the .357 magnum, .50 AE or .44 magnum, and purpose-made AP handgun ammunition like the SS190 series. I've read stories of even the .357 over penetrating by several walls and still causing fatal wounds.

    HP rounds were banned at the Hague Peace Conferences, not by the Geneva convention, and even then only in warfare was the use of HP prohibited. Our own police force might be using HP rounds. Many other police forces around the world use it, even in the US. Any cops around here?
    Thanks for the correction on which Conference.

    Dunno why but our SG's police force isn't on the use of HP rounds... I'm not a cop but I learn some when I handled some weapons before...

    .357's are powerful ones... even the .40 SW round is a powerful round as it is used with a larger chambered round crimped down to accept the smaller calibre of bullet.
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    I think s'pore's combi of 2xMP5 + 2x SAR21 is pretty good actually.

    Airport has the passenger area and open space as well. Given a MP5 of range <100m, you can't hit sh*t without hitting unwanted target. This is the time when SAR21 comes into place, it can hit with pin point accuracy with a good rifleman at <400m.

    standard 5.56mm ball maybe too strong, then use frangible rounds lor. Or sub-sonic rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manx View Post
    I think s'pore's combi of 2xMP5 + 2x SAR21 is pretty good actually.

    Airport has the passenger area and open space as well. Given a MP5 of range <100m, you can't hit sh*t without hitting unwanted target. This is the time when SAR21 comes into place, it can hit with pin point accuracy with a good rifleman at <400m.

    standard 5.56mm ball maybe too strong, then use frangible rounds lor. Or sub-sonic rounds.
    MP5's can hit anything under 100m easily when you are proficient with the weapon. And tat's on single shot selection, not auto nor the 3 rd burst.

    As for the SAR's, well... it's a toy gun, IMPO. And do you know the drop of the 5.56 at 400m? It's more than 1200mm... how can u still maintain accuracy then?? Frangible rounds? I believe there is ONLY 1 maker which makes such rounds, Glaser Blue. Sub-sonic rounds do not reduce impact, they just travel slower and prevent the sonic boom to be used in conjunction with silenced weapons.

    This is way OT liao. Mebbe we can carry on the discussion on weapons in the Kopitiam area?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hacknet View Post
    they got automatic shotguns!

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    Thread moved from Portraits for obvious reasons...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hacknet View Post
    they got automatic shotguns!
    No. The Hong Kong police uses one autoloading shotgun, the Benelli M1 Super 90. Do not confuse autoloading with automatic. Autoloading means manual operation (pumping) is not required to operate the action, except when loading in a new round. Besides automatic operation requiring an autoloading mechanism, both are otherwise mutually exclusive. Automatic means multiple rounds can be fired with a single pull of the trigger, while semi-automatic means you have to pull the trigger as many times as the number of rounds you want to fire. The Benelli M1 Super 90 is semi-automatic, where the bolt locks in position after inertia from the round fired previously forces it back, working the action. A second pull on the trigger is required to unlock the bolt, and for the bolt to discharge the round in the chamber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamadam View Post
    For drawing on enemy face once they are down.
    Wah this sounds very counterstrike leh, spray logo on enemy after you take them down. Super humiliating. lolx
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    Quote Originally Posted by noob117 View Post
    wow their mp5s look more cool then singapore ones
    got scope summore
    So, wad u want to be the coolest of all?

    A battalion of patrolling soldiers with Anti-Tank weapons and patrol the place like there's enemies at every corner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wired View Post
    The one with the HK police is an old version of an MP5 with aimpoint scope attached to a low mount rail, the one with Singapore police is the latest version using light weight materials on the lower reciever.

    ICS airsoft made in taiwan are also good. HK is the best place to buy airsoft guns.

    Anyway my contribution to this toys.

    Is that a Grenade launcher I see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zac08 View Post
    MP5's can hit anything under 100m easily when you are proficient with the weapon. And tat's on single shot selection, not auto nor the 3 rd burst.

    As for the SAR's, well... it's a toy gun, IMPO. And do you know the drop of the 5.56 at 400m? It's more than 1200mm... how can u still maintain accuracy then?? Frangible rounds? I believe there is ONLY 1 maker which makes such rounds, Glaser Blue. Sub-sonic rounds do not reduce impact, they just travel slower and prevent the sonic boom to be used in conjunction with silenced weapons.

    This is way OT liao. Mebbe we can carry on the discussion on weapons in the Kopitiam area?
    SAR21? I'm not very sure. But I do know that 1 grenade + spray sure clear a room.

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    Is that a Grenade launcher I see?
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    i am sure that tactical team does not adopt such 'spray and clear' tactics in most situations. imagine calling themselves tactical team when no specfic tactic adopted for each situation.

    QUOTE=jsbn;3163055]SAR21? I'm not very sure. But I do know that 1 grenade + spray sure clear a room. [/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003 View Post
    i am sure that tactical team does not adopt such 'spray and clear' tactics in most situations. imagine calling themselves tactical team when no specfic tactic adopted for each situation.
    Hmm... Lucky I'm not in any of the Special Ops/Tactics Units during my NS and ICT time. Just a grunt.

    Our tactics? Enemy hiding in civilian hideout and firing at our Section? My Sgt just tell me, "Go lob 1." Its "one round away" frm me and after dat, grenade-spray everything.

    No single fly or cockroach escapes my section's tactics. This is our tactic. 1 situation fits all. Complete annilihation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    Hmm... Lucky I'm not in any of the Special Ops/Tactics Units during my NS and ICT time. Just a grunt.

    Our tactics? Enemy hiding in civilian hideout and firing at our Section? My Sgt just tell me, "Go lob 1." Its "one round away" frm me and after dat, grenade-spray everything.

    No single fly or cockroach escapes my section's tactics. This is our tactic. 1 situation fits all. Complete annilihation.
    Specialised sniper units (like the US Marine's Scout/Snipers) and SF units trained in unconventional warfare came about because the regular army simply isn't versatile or precise enough in hitting pinpoint targets Post Vietnam war stats for the US Army still show that regular infantry score one kill with every 16,000-18,000 rounds fired, while Army snipers score a kill for ever 3-6 rounds fired.

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    lolx interesting thread here... so many weapon gurus in the forum lolx

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    Quote Originally Posted by zac08 View Post
    MP5's can hit anything under 100m easily when you are proficient with the weapon. And tat's on single shot selection, not auto nor the 3 rd burst.

    As for the SAR's, well... it's a toy gun, IMPO. And do you know the drop of the 5.56 at 400m? It's more than 1200mm... how can u still maintain accuracy then?? Frangible rounds? I believe there is ONLY 1 maker which makes such rounds, Glaser Blue. Sub-sonic rounds do not reduce impact, they just travel slower and prevent the sonic boom to be used in conjunction with silenced weapons.

    This is way OT liao. Mebbe we can carry on the discussion on weapons in the Kopitiam area?

    My bad... MP5 is hard to hit >100m I mean.

    >1200mm? cannot be la, but...there are so many marksman around... that shows that man are capable of shooting well enough.

    Frangible rounds, singapore have a lot mah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manx View Post
    My bad... MP5 is hard to hit >100m I mean.

    >1200mm? cannot be la, but...there are so many marksman around... that shows that man are capable of shooting well enough.
    1.2 kilometers is already a pretty tall order for any military sniper around the world. Army snipers in Iraq give each other a pat on the back when scoring kills at 900-1000 yards using 7.62 match grade ammunition. That's around 810-900m. 1500-2000 yards with the .50cal Barrett M80 is the stuff of legends there. I don't think Singapore has that many, if any, who are capable of hitting targets at that range with consistency. Police snipers are trained for much shorter distances, albeit with much greater accuracy.

    Frangible rounds, singapore have a lot mah.
    Frangible rounds aren't usually used for situations other than where the operator is loaded with SMGs and pistols in confined spaces, like air marshals in an airliner. Because of the characteristics of frangible rounds, their weight and penetrative power, I imagine doctrines and tactics change completely, when those bullets are used. The lighter weight of frangible rounds means that the bullets are much less accurate, owning to greater susceptibility to wind, air resistance and gravity (when travelling at an elevation with lower inertia than a heavier bullet). All these factors mean a much shorter effective range. The lighter weight also means stopping power is much lower than with normal ball ammunition, because less kinetic energy is transferred into the body.

    Their whole design and purpose also means that their use in a situation where multiple objects are present in the field of fire multiplies the amount of cover that the enemy can use several times over. Benches, rubbish bins, chairs, tables.. all the objects that would otherwise be easier penetrable by standard ammunition becomes uncertain, because if the bullet doesn't fragment on impact, they might not have the weight or kinetic energy to continue going straight through.

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