need advice 5D or 1Ds

lkkang · 10th June 2007

I am going to upgrade my system at about $3K+.
I am stucked at EOS5D (12 MP) or EOS1Ds (11MP).

Both are FullFrame.
5D will be a grey set, while 1Ds is a used set.
1Ds is slightly heavier, but I still can manage.
1Ds seems to be better waterproof then 5D.

Need advice on the picture quality. As seen on "dpreview", seems like all 1D "series" camera specifies that 12bit/color output and ADC is 12bits. I cannot find this specification in 5D specification anywhere, can anyone advice, which camera is producing better picture quality in terms of color?

Does it mean that 1D "series" cameras ( although having lesser MegaPix count ) is still having better picture quality? I am printing the shots to about A3 size , hence quality and color is one of my key considerations.

Now that MKII and MKIII is out, the price of EOS1Ds has dropped alot, a used set at ebay is costing at about US$2.5K ( buy now price ). Should I be investing on a used professional camera or a newer technology camera. Anyone used 1Ds before , appriciated if can provide me with some advice...

Is there any "minus" points on 1Ds that I should know before getting one?
I am currently tend towards getting the 1Ds. Anyone has a different suggestion or opinion ?

I understand that it is not right to compare 2 different camera bodies. However, I really need some bros out there to provide me some 1Ds info.. thanks a lot.

Stratix · 10th June 2007

the 5D comes with clean useable (in my opinion) ISO 1600, and ISO3200, while the 1Ds mk1 tops it out at 1250.

and all Canon DSLRs comes with 12bit RAW data, while the 1D MkIII comes with 14bit.

5D + grip anyday, everyday. =)

oeyvind · 10th June 2007

1D or 1Ds... both are very nice body, the only problem is they suck battery like there's no tomorrow... i.e. you shall need to carry 3 batteries or more for a day's work.

lkkang · 10th June 2007

thanks Stratix and oeyvind for the advice, appricated.

Yes, being able to shoot at high ISO is definately a plus to 5D. noted with thanks.

As to battery life, I have heard other wise, ( heard only )... that the battery life for 1D series is very very long lasting...can charge one time and use for many many days ???... Or I might be totally wrong... I need to get back on this. thanks for the info...

oracle0711 · 10th June 2007

Only the Mk 2 version of the 1 D series are equipped with better battery life. I have used both the 1ds and the 5d. Noise, battery life and speed aside, I personally prefer the image quality of the 1Ds as it still gives me a closer to film like output.

Originally Posted by lkkang

thanks Stratix and oeyvind for the advice, appricated.

As to battery life, I have heard other wise, ( heard only )... that the battery life for 1D series is very very long lasting...can charge one time and use for many many days ???... Or I might be totally wrong... I need to get back on this. thanks for the info...

oeyvind · 10th June 2007

Originally Posted by lkkang

As to battery life, I have heard other wise, ( heard only )... that the battery life for 1D series is very very long lasting...can charge one time and use for many many days ???... Or I might be totally wrong... I need to get back on this. thanks for the info...

I guess you must have mistaken for the MK II and MK III series... ^^

hazmee · 10th June 2007

Eos 5d.

dreamtheatre · 10th June 2007

In terms of image quality, the 5D 'wins' hands down.

1Ds is from an earlier generation (digic I...etc) so the performance of the electronics wise would not be onthe same level as the 5D. Example, the review time lag for the 1Ds is anywhere from 3 seconds to 20 seconds( if you shoot in rapid succession).

Since both thiese dslr are costing about the same theses days, the reasons to choose the 1Ds over the 5D would be:
1) Weather Sealing is critical
2) 100% viewfinder coverage is critical
3) Robustness of operation (although any 1Ds you get these days would have been heavily used and this does not seem like such a good point)

Most ppl might say superior AF performance, but I think spec wise, the 5D is better because it can AF at -0.5EV whereas the 1Ds will fail to accquire AF lock at 0 EV. Unless you really need 45 points AF.

The battery life of the 1Ds cannot be compared to the new generaltion Digic II , with a full charge, you only can get 280 to 350 shots - depending on the shooting conditions.

Which ever one you choose, good luck and enjoy photogy. Let me put it this way, with either bodies, you can't go THAT wrong

DT

lkkang · 10th June 2007

Originally Posted by dreamtheatre

In terms of image quality, the 5D 'wins' hands down.

1Ds is from an earlier generation (digic I...etc) so the performance of the electronics wise would not be onthe same level as the 5D. Example, the review time lag for the 1Ds is anywhere from 3 seconds to 20 seconds( if you shoot in rapid succession).

Since both thiese dslr are costing about the same theses days, the reasons to choose the 1Ds over the 5D would be:
1) Weather Sealing is critical
2) 100% viewfinder coverage is critical
3) Robustness of operation (although any 1Ds you get these days would have been heavily used and this does not seem like such a good point)

Most ppl might say superior AF performance, but I think spec wise, the 5D is better because it can AF at -0.5EV whereas the 1Ds will fail to accquire AF lock at 0 EV. Unless you really need 45 points AF.

The battery life of the 1Ds cannot be compared to the new generaltion Digic II , with a full charge, you only can get 280 to 350 shots - depending on the shooting conditions.

Which ever one you choose, good luck and enjoy photogy. Let me put it this way, with either bodies, you can't go THAT wrong

DT

thankyou sir, noted with many thanks...

lkkang · 10th June 2007

Originally Posted by oracle0711

Only the Mk 2 version of the 1 D series are equipped with better battery life. I have used both the 1ds and the 5d. Noise, battery life and speed aside, I personally prefer the image quality of the 1Ds as it still gives me a closer to film like output.

thanks Oracle0711, thats exactly what I heard from some shop keeper also. 1D series is truely design for professional photographers , 5D is for more serious amerture. I believe that there is a slight difference in picture quality between them ,IMHO... I hope I have not offened anyone.

wanzw · 10th June 2007

hi there. i tried the 1Ds mark 1. is a good camera but then i will pick the 5D because it is much more user friendly and can go up to iso 3200.

changing settings on a 1Ds Mark 1 can be quite a hassle at first, as compared to a 5D which is much simpler.

Gunbucker · 10th June 2007

Hi, I'm not sure if my recent experience in choosing bodies would be of any help. My dilemma was between the 5D and the 1D Mark III.

At the end of the day, the easiest way to choose, is NOT by focusing on the merits of each body, but by focusing on your needs.

For instance:

* Will you be FORCED to take pictures under heavy rain, like photojournalists often have to? (If no, then you don't need weather sealing)

* What do you shoot? (studio, outdoor events, etc) Will you be heavily penalized in monetary terms for missing shots that the 45point AF would have covered? (If no, then you don't need 45pt AF)

The comment about 1Ds images being "film like" is very, very subjective to say the least.

So you have to be realistic about what you need versus what you want. Of course, at the end of the day, if the "lure" of holding a 1-series body supercedes every other consideration, then all power to you. Grab the 1Ds and be happy

P.S. I chose the 5D, based on my practical needs. Love to have the 1D Mark III, but that's a want, not a need.

Cheers!

lkkang · 10th June 2007

Originally Posted by wanzw

hi there. i tried the 1Ds mark 1. is a good camera but then i will pick the 5D because it is much more user friendly and can go up to iso 3200.

changing settings on a 1Ds Mark 1 can be quite a hassle at first, as compared to a 5D which is much simpler.

thanks for the info, high iso is really a nice thing to have ...especially when you are into events, sports etc...

miniUltraman · 10th June 2007

Originally Posted by lkkang

thanks for the info, high iso is really a nice thing to have ...especially when you are into events, sports etc...

ermm.. you mentioned sports.. then you may consider whether 5D's 3 fps can meet your needs... you may want to consider 1DM3

longkangman · 10th June 2007

Originally Posted by lkkang

As to battery life, I have heard other wise, ( heard only )... that the battery life for 1D series is very very long lasting...can charge one time and use for many many days ???... Or I might be totally wrong... I need to get back on this. thanks for the info...

1d3 manual page 30 at 23dC approx 2200 possible shots with live view approx 350 possible shots under CIPA.

YMMV

lkkang · 10th June 2007

Originally Posted by Gunbucker

Hi, I'm not sure if my recent experience in choosing bodies would be of any help. My dilemma was between the 5D and the 1D Mark III.

At the end of the day, the easiest way to choose, is NOT by focusing on the merits of each body, but by focusing on your needs.

For instance:

* Will you be FORCED to take pictures under heavy rain, like photojournalists often have to? (If no, then you don't need weather sealing)

* What do you shoot? (studio, outdoor events, etc) Will you be heavily penalized in monetary terms for missing shots that the 45point AF would have covered? (If no, then you don't need 45pt AF)

The comment about 1Ds images being "film like" is very, very subjective to say the least.

So you have to be realistic about what you need versus what you want. Of course, at the end of the day, if the "lure" of holding a 1-series body supercedes every other consideration, then all power to you. Grab the 1Ds and be happy

P.S. I chose the 5D, based on my practical needs. Love to have the 1D Mark III, but that's a want, not a need.

Cheers!

Wah... very well analysed.. I am impressed by your logical thinking.

lkkang · 10th June 2007

Originally Posted by longkangman

1d3 manual page 30 at 23dC approx 2200 possible shots with live view approx 350 possible shots under CIPA.

YMMV

thanks LongKangMan

user111 · 10th June 2007

1ds!!!

astroboy · 10th June 2007

One time i was shooting for hotel client... had to be out at sea...on a boat shooting water-skiers. I was glad i had a 1Ds with L lenses...cos lots of sea-spray.

But 1Ds LCD display is useless. I only use it to check for overexposure. 5D is fine if u know u will only shoot events/weddings or similar stuff.

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lkkang Member/Tangshooter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Punggol 21 Posts: 1,607	need advice 5D or 1Ds I am going to upgrade my system at about $3K+. I am stucked at EOS5D (12 MP) or EOS1Ds (11MP). Both are FullFrame. 5D will be a grey set, while 1Ds is a used set. 1Ds is slightly heavier, but I still can manage. 1Ds seems to be better waterproof then 5D. Need advice on the picture quality. As seen on "dpreview", seems like all 1D "series" camera specifies that 12bit/color output and ADC is 12bits. I cannot find this specification in 5D specification anywhere, can anyone advice, which camera is producing better picture quality in terms of color? Does it mean that 1D "series" cameras ( although having lesser MegaPix count ) is still having better picture quality? I am printing the shots to about A3 size , hence quality and color is one of my key considerations. Now that MKII and MKIII is out, the price of EOS1Ds has dropped alot, a used set at ebay is costing at about US$2.5K ( buy now price ). Should I be investing on a used professional camera or a newer technology camera. Anyone used 1Ds before , appriciated if can provide me with some advice... Is there any "minus" points on 1Ds that I should know before getting one? I am currently tend towards getting the 1Ds. Anyone has a different suggestion or opinion ? I understand that it is not right to compare 2 different camera bodies. However, I really need some bros out there to provide me some 1Ds info.. thanks a lot.

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Stratix Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 873	Re: need advice 5D or 1Ds the 5D comes with clean useable (in my opinion) ISO 1600, and ISO3200, while the 1Ds mk1 tops it out at 1250. and all Canon DSLRs comes with 12bit RAW data, while the 1D MkIII comes with 14bit. 5D + grip anyday, everyday. =) __________________ http://stratixfied.deviantart.com

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oeyvind Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 3,556	Re: need advice 5D or 1Ds 1D or 1Ds... both are very nice body, the only problem is they suck battery like there's no tomorrow... i.e. you shall need to carry 3 batteries or more for a day's work.

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lkkang Member/Tangshooter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Punggol 21 Posts: 1,607	Re: need advice 5D or 1Ds thanks Stratix and oeyvind for the advice, appricated. Yes, being able to shoot at high ISO is definately a plus to 5D. noted with thanks. As to battery life, I have heard other wise, ( heard only )... that the battery life for 1D series is very very long lasting...can charge one time and use for many many days ???... Or I might be totally wrong... I need to get back on this. thanks for the info...

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hazmee Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Teban Gardens Posts: 2,610	Re: need advice 5D or 1Ds Eos 5d. __________________ The hideout // My flickr page

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dreamtheatre Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Serangoon Nth Posts: 350	Re: need advice 5D or 1Ds In terms of image quality, the 5D 'wins' hands down. 1Ds is from an earlier generation (digic I...etc) so the performance of the electronics wise would not be onthe same level as the 5D. Example, the review time lag for the 1Ds is anywhere from 3 seconds to 20 seconds( if you shoot in rapid succession). Since both thiese dslr are costing about the same theses days, the reasons to choose the 1Ds over the 5D would be: 1) Weather Sealing is critical 2) 100% viewfinder coverage is critical 3) Robustness of operation (although any 1Ds you get these days would have been heavily used and this does not seem like such a good point) Most ppl might say superior AF performance, but I think spec wise, the 5D is better because it can AF at -0.5EV whereas the 1Ds will fail to accquire AF lock at 0 EV. Unless you really need 45 points AF. The battery life of the 1Ds cannot be compared to the new generaltion Digic II , with a full charge, you only can get 280 to 350 shots - depending on the shooting conditions. Which ever one you choose, good luck and enjoy photogy. Let me put it this way, with either bodies, you can't go THAT wrong DT Last edited by dreamtheatre; 10th June 2007 at 10:27 AM.

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wanzw Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 927	Re: need advice 5D or 1Ds hi there. i tried the 1Ds mark 1. is a good camera but then i will pick the 5D because it is much more user friendly and can go up to iso 3200. changing settings on a 1Ds Mark 1 can be quite a hassle at first, as compared to a 5D which is much simpler. __________________ random equipment. where are my primes?

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Gunbucker Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: East Coast Posts: 1,020	Re: need advice 5D or 1Ds Hi, I'm not sure if my recent experience in choosing bodies would be of any help. My dilemma was between the 5D and the 1D Mark III. At the end of the day, the easiest way to choose, is NOT by focusing on the merits of each body, but by focusing on your needs. For instance: * Will you be FORCED to take pictures under heavy rain, like photojournalists often have to? (If no, then you don't need weather sealing) * What do you shoot? (studio, outdoor events, etc) Will you be heavily penalized in monetary terms for missing shots that the 45point AF would have covered? (If no, then you don't need 45pt AF) The comment about 1Ds images being "film like" is very, very subjective to say the least. So you have to be realistic about what you need versus what you want. Of course, at the end of the day, if the "lure" of holding a 1-series body supercedes every other consideration, then all power to you. Grab the 1Ds and be happy P.S. I chose the 5D, based on my practical needs. Love to have the 1D Mark III, but that's a want, not a need. Cheers! __________________ My Gallery

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user111 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,719	Re: need advice 5D or 1Ds 1ds!!!

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astroboy Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 360	Re: need advice 5D or 1Ds One time i was shooting for hotel client... had to be out at sea...on a boat shooting water-skiers. I was glad i had a 1Ds with L lenses...cos lots of sea-spray. But 1Ds LCD display is useless. I only use it to check for overexposure. 5D is fine if u know u will only shoot events/weddings or similar stuff.