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    exposure: 0.003 sec (1/400)
    Aperture: f/5.6
    Focal Length: 6 mm
    ISO Speed: 100
    Exposure Bias: 0/10 EV
    Flash: Flash did not fire
    Camera: Sony p73

    jus want to share this photo i took during my trip to newzealand....

    jus wondering.. have i put too much vignetting into the photo?? coz the sky on that day was soo cloudy.. and not much details.. so i tot by add the vignetting would "bring out" the cross and the person beside

    I also cropped jus a little to position the picture to the 4:3 rule (top left side)...
    and... it looks like a b/w picture... but the colour that day was as such... not desaturated....

    any comments? or critique?
    Last edited by pethuel; 31st May 2007 at 06:23 PM.

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    the vignetting is ok, but thats not the main issue in this pic which is too much rock, not enuff cross, so unbalanced, unexciting, and meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by espion View Post
    the vignetting is ok, but thats not the main issue in this pic which is too much rock, not enuff cross, so unbalanced, unexciting, and meaningless.
    *ouch*

    okie... so should i crop out more rock? or anyways of improvement?

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    think can't save this pic ... how to get more cross? ur perspective is just too far below the rock - not a question of cropping. also the man is too close to the cross.

    don't try to revive a dead horse. just go out and shoot the next and better pic.

    the only value in this pic - if any - is to learn from it, which I think is mainly at the point of capture if u dont get it right - it meaning the composition, and your perspective, your lens, the moment, etc etc - then and there, its not worth the effort trying to salvage it later on.

    but maybe I want to ask: is this pic of any significance to you? does it mean anything to you?

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    don't forget this is just someone else's perspective.

    IMO it's not a disastrous shot, there's some feeling emanating from the photo which is good. Conveying mood is always important in any picture.

    it's not so much of the fact that there's too much rock, but the cropping of the picture is slightly off. Try re-cropping to get either more/less focus on the cross/man.

    and yes, do tell us what you felt when taking this picture.

    oh yes forgot to mention, the vignetting is just nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by peepeedog View Post
    don't forget this is just someone else's perspective.

    IMO it's not a disastrous shot, there's some feeling emanating from the photo which is good. Conveying mood is always important in any picture.

    it's not so much of the fact that there's too much rock, but the cropping of the picture is slightly off. Try re-cropping to get either more/less focus on the cross/man.

    and yes, do tell us what you felt when taking this picture.
    thanks...

    hmmm... thats my pastor btw, and i took this picture when we went on a mission trip to newzealand feb06 kinda nostalgic feeling when i look at this picture

    anyway... i think i will be able to get more "cross" from the picture... or rather more sky from the top and left side.... (remember i cropped to 4:3 rule with the cross position by the upper left side)

    so yeah.. will go try it out again... but sad thing is that i can't get a nice sky for that day.. or else would be more nicer(i believe ar) :P

    but how do i get more/less focus on the cross/man??

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    i think it is a great pic. not because it is technically perfect (or in this case not so perfect as some have pointed out). i like it because it conveys an emotion. it moves me. doesn't matter if the pic is out of focus, badly composed and poorly timed shot. if it still manages to create an emotional response, then it works.

    much better than technically perfect and homogenous pictures that are copies of one another because they all followed the "rules" to the letter and hence ended up looking the same...don't you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by espion View Post
    But then that is no excuse for making shoddy pictures, for surely a "perfect" picture can be unique, setting it own rules, and at the same time unambiguously and emphatically say something clearly and relevantly, emotions included.
    the simplest picture taken by an unnamed photographer may touch tens of thousands, the most artful picture taken by a master photographer may remain unknown to tens of thousands. say your piece and move on, there's no need to get into theoretical debates where it's unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pethuel View Post

    exposure: 0.003 sec (1/400)
    Aperture: f/5.6
    Focal Length: 6 mm
    ISO Speed: 100
    Exposure Bias: 0/10 EV
    Flash: Flash did not fire
    Camera: Sony p73

    jus want to share this photo i took during my trip to newzealand....

    jus wondering.. have i put too much vignetting into the photo?? coz the sky on that day was soo cloudy.. and not much details.. so i tot by add the vignetting would "bring out" the cross and the person beside

    I also cropped jus a little to position the picture to the 4:3 rule (top left side)...
    and... it looks like a b/w picture... but the colour that day was as such... not desaturated....

    any comments? or critique?

    I think it looks good
    but the main theme is too small..maybe a zoom will be nicer and also the photoshopped vignetting is not transiting smoothly..too abrubt..my 2 cents

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    i think it looks good.


    not every photo has to be shot and composed according to some rules.


    i think the vignetting adds more drama into the photo but it isn't done that well.

    a pity the lower region of the rocks are not well exposed.


    otherwise, i dun think it is that bad as to thrash it.
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    I too like the overall feel of this.

    However... like cheescake mentioned, it really is a pity to not have exposed for the rocks... or simply eliminating most of it from the picture. Too much black nothing-ness...

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    I think it's a nice picture. May not win you a prize in any competition , but certainly not trash material .

    I don't agree that the crop should be tighter on the cross. By doing that, you will just get another technically correct piece of 2D image. Losing the sense of height and space from the photographer's point of view. Also knowing why the photographer took the shot is also an aspect of how a picture should be viewed. To me, the photo gives me a feel of someone looking up at a person he respects standing near a symbol of his faith. That makes the picture emotionally interesting.

    Moving on... regarding the vignetting... probably a little too much, but idea is good. And as said, a little more exposure on the rocks would be better too. Other that that I think it's good.

    Just my $0.02. I'm no pro, just an amateur, so don't kill me if you think I'm wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by dewey View Post
    I think it's a nice picture. May not win you a prize in any competition , but certainly not trash material .

    I don't agree that the crop should be tighter on the cross. By doing that, you will just get another technically correct piece of 2D image. Losing the sense of height and space from the photographer's point of view. Also knowing why the photographer took the shot is also an aspect of how a picture should be viewed. To me, the photo gives me a feel of someone looking up at a person he respects standing near a symbol of his faith. That makes the picture emotionally interesting.

    Moving on... regarding the vignetting... probably a little too much, but idea is good. And as said, a little more exposure on the rocks would be better too. Other that that I think it's good.

    Just my $0.02. I'm no pro, just an amateur, so don't kill me if you think I'm wrong
    thanks... well, its really quite limited on that day because of the cloudy and moody sky... on order to not get an overexposed *main subject* (due to the sky), i have to sacrifice a little of the rocky part... :P yeah... and also i wanted to create a shilioute(how to spell it? :P) -kind kinda of feeling... as well as providing some kinda emotional feeling to the viewer(only applicable to some ppl, now that i realized :P)

    yeap~

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    What I feel - vignetting is just nice. Not too overly done, and it works to bring out the emotion you want from the picture.

    One thing I noticed right away was that the cross was tilted. I have this anal thing about tilted stuff, I think possibly because I always have problems with correcting it always.. But the man seems upright, so that's fine too!

    The perspective seems good, but as espion has said, in some ways, there is too much rock - I would like to be more detailed because I might possibly mean something different - there is too much rock without detail - probably not within your control but due to the apparent directional lighting. Silhouettes work but in this case the lack of detail at the bottom part renders a certain lack of interestingness at that area, due to its being rendered as a mass of blackness, which is a negative point to me. I would suggest either a tighter framing - using zoom or whatever to at least lessen the presence of parts without detail, or a horizontal format.

    A tighter crop would also work, imho, have taken the liberty to show what I meant - please let me know if you want me to remove it, for illustration purposes only:



    Keep shooting! =)

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    Nice idea, night86mare - I would've been tempted to crop a bit more from the bottom, and maybe a wee bit from the left edge of the frame. As an "experiment", since the vignetting was artificially added in Photoshop (it works pretty nicely, I think!), might it not have been "cheating" to swap out the sky altogether and replace it with a "more interesting" cloudscape?! (Just letting my imagination go!)
    But ... all said and done ... there certainly IS feeling and value to this shot. It's NOT trash, for sure. Keep it up, Pethuel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    What I feel - vignetting is just nice. Not too overly done, and it works to bring out the emotion you want from the picture.

    One thing I noticed right away was that the cross was tilted. I have this anal thing about tilted stuff, I think possibly because I always have problems with correcting it always.. But the man seems upright, so that's fine too!

    The perspective seems good, but as espion has said, in some ways, there is too much rock - I would like to be more detailed because I might possibly mean something different - there is too much rock without detail - probably not within your control but due to the apparent directional lighting. Silhouettes work but in this case the lack of detail at the bottom part renders a certain lack of interestingness at that area, due to its being rendered as a mass of blackness, which is a negative point to me. I would suggest either a tighter framing - using zoom or whatever to at least lessen the presence of parts without detail, or a horizontal format.

    A tighter crop would also work, imho, have taken the liberty to show what I meant - please let me know if you want me to remove it, for illustration purposes only:



    Keep shooting! =)

    wow... nice.. i get what you mean! its okie to keep that picture here... :P less darkness of rock.. more focus on the main subject... icic... i will take note of it....

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