Yes, they are the best lenses around.
No, I think the Nikon/Canon/Minolta ones are better
No, don't think there is a difference. The non-Leicas are just as good
They might be, but I probably can't tell the difference anyway.
But if I may quote an example from a friend regarding an incident a coupla years ago.. when digital has not taken over the face of photography...
They were both invited to make images of some birds at the birdpark.... I have no idea what bird it was.. but I wasn't there.. .. but it was a yellow one.. my friend was using a canon system.. and his friend, a leica.. now dun ask me what lenses and what system.. I'll put their skills as equally good, 'cept the preference of system and how deep their pocket goes.. they were both using the same film and they both sent it to the same lab.
Somehow or rather, the lab manage to mix up the prints from the rolls of film... and they were very apologetic.. but my friend and his friend just laughed when they saw the prints and say its not problem at all..
Simply becuase the stark difference in quality from both cameras is just so apparent. They just took the whole stack.. and went.. here's urs.. here's the leica... and wala.... problem solved..
Its just an illustration from an oldie photographer when I was just starting out and asking the very same questions as some of you guys here... is the leica really so much better? well.. I would just say go get one and try it for yourself... as my saying goes.... "Try it... You may like it...."
Last edited by Itsbits; 13th May 2007 at 05:38 PM.
anyway the question here is "Do you think Leica lenses outperform the top end lenses from Nikon/Canon"
unless your friend using canon is using top end lenses, it is not relevant to this question.
the most I could say is, not all leica lens are better than the top end lenses from canon/nikon, im pretty sure there are some good lens from both nikon and canon which are better than the leica counterpart...
As I said earlier, "outperform" can mean many things beyond just lpm or contrast. I'm not referring to 3-D look, more lifelike images, etc. which are hard to agree. There are many other factors, such as resistance to flare, distortion, bokeh, etc.
why all the need for a debate... theres a comprehensive review comparing leica, zeiss, canon and CV lenses here..
Forget all that, Hasselblad's and Rollei's lenses are the best ...... just kidding
Hard to compare, but I don't doubt that Leica lenses are definitely very well-made, although it comes at a serious price (current M models at least).
I did meet someone who has a Leica 50mm R on his Canon 5D, and he prefers it over his Canon lens. I've seen the prints and they look good, at least in digital terms. The tiny Leica lens looks odd on the massive 5D, though ...
Best way of course is to try yourself if possible, hands on, no theories.
Or read this writer's thoughts on why he uses Leica lenses on his Canons, just one of the many varied opinions, this one in favor of Leica (it is obvious the writer is a Leica body user too) :
as they have the same quality as: 'a lotus elise is better than a porsche boxter'
both have pro's & con's.
The aim of a camera is making pix & enable the fotographer to 'write with light' (the exact meaning the greek word)
I've use soo many cameras (RTS,137Quartz/X700,X9000 or Maxxon/F2/F3/OM1,2,4,10,40/R5/F75,F90,EOS620,50/AE1PROG,A1/MAT124/SL66SE/501CM/Silvestri/XPAN/PentaconSix/PEN FT,myju,Minilux,M3, ....FZ20/EXILIM/) and came to the conclusion - forget about bodies & lenses - they must fit you
so XPAN & OM4 are my favourites, SL66SE if i have time & force to carry & use it - i love my PEN FT (with Planar 1.4/50)
sooo many people believe, the equipment makes the pic - what a misunderstanding (& perfect marketing of our japanese friends)- if u reached a certain level, stop looking!
I'd never ever carry 2kg of chinese plastic - which are 95% of all digicams - i want the feel the mechanic & the see the light & not thousends of knobs, think about the working behaviour of AF & metering - that's what manufacturers & their produkts distinguishs - a kind of philosophy & marketing.
If u like to talk about MegaPix, active image control, zoom factor, staus symbol & image of product, forget about your worn out 'working horse'
Did you ever thought about Picassos pencil or about Ansel Adams' lens & films? Their tools fitted to their personality (remember Erich Salomon?)
So my choice is my OM4 with 2/85, even if i could use the fantastic (?) Summicron 2/90 ... why discuss about a possibly superb lens with adapter to a camera with AF & full automatic control. A Leica Body including 50mm is about 400€/USD, so try if u can life with it or loan one - and do me one big favour - use the technical discussion just for one purpose: pictures
if u really like to discuss, so think about a high end optic like the new ones from Oberkochen (resolution about 400lp/mm) on a optical sensor with the same performance then the color films from the early age of Kodakcolor 60yrs ago ;o)
This debate is pointless, much like the great Contax Vs Leica debate our forefathers (who could afford them) had. To each his or her own. Whether you use a Canon L lens or a Leica 'Cron doesn't make a difference if you don't know the technics on how to take a good picture. The main thing is to go out and shoot and learn how to take a good picture, not spend time here singing praises about your super duper high end wonder lens and your do it all DSLR.
There is a place for those who think that the equipment is secondary to the photographer and his technique. But there is also a place for people who want to discuss equipment. One should not try to say that others' discussions are worthless.
Contrary to most beliefs, a camera is not just a light tight box, its design and functionality directly affects ease of use, reliability, performance, compatibility, etc. which affects how you use your equipment, what it is great at and what it is not good at.
Ditto, a lens is not just something to focus light with, its very design depends on the optical approach chosen by its designer, what choices have been made wrt the optical aberrations, and thus determines what it is good at and what it is weak at. Thus you can match a lens to a shot if you know what you want to shoot and what you value in a picture.
There's obviously strengths and weaknesses in every lens. It's easy to get religious about C vs N or (in this case) L vs rest of the world. This is unfortunate. But when the price of Leica lenses is so high compared to other lenses, is it not legitimate to ask whether you're getting more for it compared to other lenses?
However, I do think performance should be looked as a whole, and just in terms of optical performance, but also physical performance-- construction, quality of materials, reliability, weather resistance, weight, ruggedness, etc.
Last edited by waileong; 28th May 2007 at 11:21 AM.
canon L IS zoom (convinient) and leica R APO lens (image quality) are best partner...
if u can not tell the image quality dif between EF50/1.4 and contax 50/1.4, it's ok since dif is little.
but if u can not tell the dif between EF 50/1.4 and R 50/1.4 or R50/2,,, I will say u are blind...dont use DSLR any more, go back compact DC...
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