Voigtlander Summer New Release...

[chiif]

Hey guys... as promised... 21mm/f4 PII & 25mm/f4 PII are here! Grab one while it's still hot! Great pair with the R4M or R4A. All models in stock now!



Size of the 21mm/f4 PII lens. The 25mm is the same size as the 21mm.



Great high contrast wide angle lens. Great for street and scenery.

[chiif]

[chiif]

21mm/f4 Specifications:

Focal Length:- 21mm
Aperture Ration:- 1:4
Smallest Aperture:- f22
Lens Construction:- 6 groups 8 elements
Picture Angle:- 91 degrees
Aperture Blades:- 10
Nearest Distance:- 0.5m
Diameter:- 55mm
Weight:-136g
Filter Size:- 39mm
Mount:- M mount

[Ansel]

Wonderful! The R4M even has the framelines for the 21mm! One hell of a combination!

[chiif]

Introducing.... 25mm/f4

[chiif]

[chiif]

25mm/f4 Specifications:

Focal Length:- 25mm
Aperture Ration:- 1:4
Smallest Aperture:- f22
Lens Construction:- 5 groups 7 elements
Picture Angle:- 82 degrees
Aperture Blades:- 10
Nearest Distance:- 0.5m
Diameter:- 55mm
Weight:-144g
Filter Size:- 39mm
Mount:- M mount

[chiif]

Originally Posted by Ansel Wonderful! The R4M even has the framelines for the 21mm! One hell of a combination!

Yes, Daniel... In chinese, 4 words to describe... 天衣无缝. Translated to english "Seamless heavenly robe - flawless. The article is close-knit and it's argument flawless"

I have been asked many times, "Which RF is for me?" And my first answer has always been a question: "What do you normally shoot?"

Personally, I think the R4 is 当今 (today) the best RF to own if you are new to RF. It harness the power of RF into one single camera. It has the framelines for 21mm! That's the ultimate lens for street shooting! For reportage, coverage of events and stories, the 21mm perspective allows the photographer to immerse into the crowd and gets into the groove. Photogs who have been shooting with 21mm using finder have been WISHING for a camera with a built in 21mm frameline as it makes shooting so much easier.

Next comes the question: "Wouldn't it make focusing with 50mm lens difficult?"

My answer: "Yes" and "No".

With the 0.52 magnification, things appear smaller (that's how they squeeze so many things into one frame), finding a small object to focus is definitly going to be a challenge. Personally, I would choose a larger object to focus if I were to use the 50mm lens. Anway, it's just a matter of getting used to the magnification.With RF, one can guess focus and the picture will even turn out sharp. I don't think focusing will be an issue if the 50mm lens is the furthest that you go... Choose a large verticle object to focus will make life better on the R4.

Then the next question normally asked is... "I wear glasses, will I see the 21mm framelines?"

My answer is normally: "Depends. If you wear Oakley, where your glasses is very near to your eye, like a convex lens, then you can catch a glimsp of the 21mm framelines, but if your glasses is those square square, 1cm away from your eyes, then it's hard to see the whole 21mm frameline. Does it matter? Personally, I don't think it matter too much if you are shooting street. But if you are shooting architecture, then it matters alittle as you are more discern with what gets into the frame. If you need to see the whole frameline, just shift your eye and adjust a little bit and you should be able to compose the shot pretty well. If you really can't see very well, then I do sell the diopter lens that will help in your focusing. I have customers who swear by it....

Another FAQ: I'm new to RF, don't know whether I will like it or not....

This, I can't answer for you... all I can say, it's like durian. Some people like it... some people LOVE it... but some people really hated it....

What I can say is, RF adds a new dimension to the way you take pictures. I alway tell people that the picture is composed in the mind, not through the viewfinder. Using a RF, will train your mind to do that. It will somehow stamp a frameline to your eyes & brain and allow you to see things and compose with framelines. And as a result, your shots "might" be better composed. And using RF also allow you to focus faster, as the "throw" on the lens is pretty short. Don't understand what I say???? Get into RF and you will understand.

[stnicholas81]

Hey Chiif, does the 21mm Pancake comes with finder? Thinking of getting it for my R2M.

[chiif]

Originally Posted by stnicholas81 Hey Chiif, does the 21mm Pancake comes with finder? Thinking of getting it for my R2M.

Nope. Does not. Only the old 21mm screw mount comes with finder.

[paisatge]

wonder why they don't make a fast 21mm.

[haagen_dazs]

Originally Posted by paisatge wonder why they don't make a fast 21mm.

CV is targetting a different market. The group that cant spend that much money but yet would like a reasonably priced lens.
The best price to performance ratio

If they make a 21/2.8 lens, they will start competing with the zeiss and leicas ...
kind of defeats the purpose of it all.

my 2 cents

[stnicholas81]

Originally Posted by chiif Nope. Does not. Only the old 21mm screw mount comes with finder.

Liddat how ar chiif. buy external finder?

[chiif]

Originally Posted by stnicholas81 Liddat how ar chiif. buy external finder?

Either (1) buy an external finder, (2) go for screw mount 21mm or (3) buy the R4 lah!

BTW, it is very difficult to make a fast lens at shorter focal length. It's possible to make a reasonably priced 50mm/f1.4 or f1.2, but it is pretty expensive to make a 35mm/f1.4. But Voigtlander managed to come up with the 35mm/f1.2 which is the fastest 35mm M mount lens in the market at less than half the price of a new 35mm cron.

Like wise, at 21mm, to make a f2.8 or f2, probably it will cost four times the price of the current 21mm/f4. And probably weigh 1kg.

If you need to shoot low light, use a ISO 1600 or 3200 film lor... I shot my wife's delivery using the fuji natura 1600 at the operating theatre, the pictures turn out pretty well with 15mm/f4.5.

[paisatge]

Originally Posted by haagen_dazs CV is targetting a different market. The group that cant spend that much money but yet would like a reasonably priced lens. The best price to performance ratio If they make a 21/2.8 lens, they will start competing with the zeiss and leicas ... kind of defeats the purpose of it all. my 2 cents

well, they have fast 35mm, 50mm, 40mm, and the fastest 28mm of all!

[paisatge]

Originally Posted by chiif Either (1) buy an external finder, (2) go for screw mount 21mm or (3) buy the R4 lah! BTW, it is very difficult to make a fast lens at shorter focal length. It's possible to make a reasonably priced 50mm/f1.4 or f1.2, but it is pretty expensive to make a 35mm/f1.4. But Voigtlander managed to come up with the 35mm/f1.2 which is the fastest 35mm M mount lens in the market at less than half the price of a new 35mm cron. Like wise, at 21mm, to make a f2.8 or f2, probably it will cost four times the price of the current 21mm/f4. And probably weigh 1kg. If you need to shoot low light, use a ISO 1600 or 3200 film lor... I shot my wife's delivery using the fuji natura 1600 at the operating theatre, the pictures turn out pretty well with 15mm/f4.5.

or as I found out today, use the fast Nikkor lenses with the F to M mount adaptor

[paisatge]

Originally Posted by stnicholas81 Liddat how ar chiif. buy external finder?

I bought the screw mount for the 21mm just because it comes with the finder and that's for when I use the 15mm since I'm using it on the R-D1s.

[chiif]

Since we are at lenses, check out this lens: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/phot...p?product=5133

The number markings, finishing... and the shape looks so familiar...

[Cactus jACK]

Originally Posted by chiif Since we are at lenses, check out this lens: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/phot...p?product=5133 The number markings, finishing... and the shape looks so familiar...

nooice!!!

[stnicholas81]

i think i go for option 2, more economic, me poor student sorry lah. haha. let u know again.