Sentosa

[s598719]

U/World

Does this look u/w enough to you?



Here is a pic from Dolphin Lagoon.

[Dylan]

Aye..
Honestly, after you said Underwater World... yeah they do look u/w to me but our dear poor clownfishes are kept in captivity. Not too sure if they are commercial clownfishes or taken from the ocean.

The dolphins are the same..pity them having to entertain us when they could have roamed the whole oceans..

*sob*

[s598719]

Originally Posted by Dylan Aye.. Honestly, after you said Underwater World... yeah they do look u/w to me but our dear poor clownfishes are kept in captivity. Not too sure if they are commercial clownfishes or taken from the ocean. The dolphins are the same..pity them having to entertain us when they could have roamed the whole oceans.. *sob*

You pro-enviromentalist.
If we look at a different angle, more people goto aquarium is better than more people go diving (ie. less stress to the corals).

[Jinks]

Originally Posted by s598719 If we look at a different angle, more people goto aquarium is better than more people go diving (ie. less stress to the corals).

Wah... you might get flamed for such a sweeping statement IMHO, most divers I've dived with respect the environment they're in and do no damage to corals.

[lovells19]

Originally Posted by s598719 You pro-enviromentalist. If we look at a different angle, more people goto aquarium is better than more people go diving (ie. less stress to the corals).

No true..

Fishes at aquarium are usually under tremendous stress, imagine an Alien catches you and bring you to Mars and lock you in a fish tank.. how would you feel?

And you know how many of the creatures die during the harvesting process? With the Demand it leads to cyanide fishing, mass harvesting. It is just like sharks fins.

When people go diving, if they are responsible enough, they will get their buoyancy right. In fact most divers I know gets more pro-environmentalist after they started diving. Other then some black sheeps, which catches, spears or have no regards to the environment, these I credit to their lovely instructors.

No matter what, animals or humans are best left in their own environment, not everything is as adaptable as humans.

And we Like to see the creatures in the wild. not behind some glass wall

[s598719]

Originally Posted by lovells19 No true.. Fishes at aquarium are usually under tremendous stress, imagine an Alien catches you and bring you to Mars and lock you in a fish tank.. how would you feel? And you know how many of the creatures die during the harvesting process? With the Demand it leads to cyanide fishing, mass harvesting. It is just like sharks fins. When people go diving, if they are responsible enough, they will get their buoyancy right. In fact most divers I know gets more pro-environmentalist after they started diving. Other then some black sheeps, which catches, spears or have no regards to the environment, these I credit to their lovely instructors. No matter what, animals or humans are best left in their own environment, not everything is as adaptable as humans. And we Like to see the creatures in the wild. not behind some glass wall

I am pro-environment too. And also ex-diving instructor. Believe me, all my diving students stress out some corals; they were newbies. As they get better, then u're right....they can control buoyancy better.

Perhaps, u can lobby the govt to close the aquarium shops, the birdshops, the zoo, the birdpark, UW Sentosa, & make sure the new IR displays no dolphins, whalesharks. And for the matter, the most stress animals are the dogs. And did u know so many corals were destroyed so they can built Sentosa Cove.

[lovells19]

Originally Posted by s598719 I am pro-environment too. And also ex-diving instructor. Believe me, all my diving students stress out some corals; they were newbies. As they get better, then u're right....they can control buoyancy better. Perhaps, u can lobby the govt to close the aquarium shops, the birdshops, the zoo, the birdpark, UW Sentosa, & make sure the new IR displays no dolphins, whalesharks. And for the matter, the most stress animals are the dogs. And did u know so many corals were destroyed so they can built Sentosa Cove.

You can choose not to bring them to the corals

We did.. I also know many corals are killed when singapore does it landfill, and allow bukom to expand, to make singapore a world class port, to allow oil refinery in our waters.

Those we have no control. what we can do is try to ask people to look in the correct angle

[s598719]

Originally Posted by lovells19 You can choose not to bring them to the corals We did.. I also know many corals are killed when singapore does it landfill, and allow bukom to expand, to make singapore a world class port, to allow oil refinery in our waters. Those we have no control. what we can do is try to ask people to look in the correct angle

Agreed. Need to look at right angle. This world is not black or white; right or not.

And u know Singaporeans, they won't all this money so they can see sand.

Anyway, I was only helping out, the dive shop is not mine; where to go not up to me.

BTW, Sentosa Cove is not Bukom. They are selling luxury homes on land that now sits on the corals.

[lovells19]

Originally Posted by s598719 BTW, Sentosa Cove is not Bukom. They are selling luxury homes on land that now sits on the corals.

I know

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by s598719 Agreed. Need to look at right angle. This world is not black or white; right or not. And u know Singaporeans, they won't all this money so they can see sand. Anyway, I was only helping out, the dive shop is not mine; where to go not up to me. BTW, Sentosa Cove is not Bukom. They are selling luxury homes on land that now sits on the corals.

Some national body does not bother about what is under the water.. the motto is, " if you can't see it, it is not there".

Dive shop might not be yours..but as your still bringing the students and ex-instructor, you do have a say to dive in the area where corals are or not.

I'm sure lovells knows both Sentosa Cove and Bukom. Though SC is for luxury homes, Bukom on the other hand is for refinery...which equates to flowing $$$...

[s598719]

Originally Posted by Dylan Some national body does not bother about what is under the water.. the motto is, " if you can't see it, it is not there". Dive shop might not be yours..but as your still bringing the students and ex-instructor, you do have a say to dive in the area where corals are or not. I'm sure lovells knows both Sentosa Cove and Bukom. Though SC is for luxury homes, Bukom on the other hand is for refinery...which equates to flowing $$$...

I am assisting the chief instructor. I do not tell him where to go.

[lovells19]

Originally Posted by s598719 I am assisting the chief instructor. I do not tell him where to go.

If your chief instructor insist on teaching students on corals, I think you have made the right choice not to teach for him any more

[s598719]

Originally Posted by lovells19 If your chief instructor insist on teaching students on corals, I think you have made the right choice not to teach for him any more

Anyway, that was a longtime ago. In the 1990s. I do not dive anymore. Everytime I miss seeing marine life, I bring kids to UW Sentosa. Hope to go UW Osaka 1 day....can see whaleshark......i know u would not approve of Osaka.

I saw moonfish or mola-mola in aquarium in states once. And I saw one during a Bali dive as well. Fascinating creature.

[Dylan]

Popular whale shark dies mysteriously
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Mainichi Daily 14 May 07
http://www.wildsingapore.com/news/20070506/070514-7.htm

OSAKA -- A popular whale shark at an aquarium here died late Sunday
while being treated at a research institute in Kochi Prefecture,
aquarium officials said.

The cause of the death of the 5.4-meter-long female whale shark, named
Yu-chan, is unknown, according to officials. The fish is believed to
be 12 to 13 years old.

Yu-chan, which was kept at Osaka Aquarium Kaiyukan in Minato-ku, was
transferred to the Marine Biological Research Institute in Tosashimizu
on May 7 for treatment after it couldn't hold its food.

The whale shark was caught in a fishing net off Tosashimizu in July
1998. It had been kept at the aquarium for 2,505 days since June 2000.

A male whale shark, Kai-kun, has been on display at the aquarium since
last Thursday.

[lovells19]

Long Live aquariums!!!!!

[divelogic]

Originally Posted by s598719 I am pro-environment too. And also ex-diving instructor. Believe me, all my diving students stress out some corals; they were newbies. As they get better, then u're right....they can control buoyancy better.

I would probably be blasted for this, but I find a need to say something.
No, the shot doesn't look like a real U/W shot cos the anemone is half dead as you can see. That is usually the case when they are kept in captivity. They look nothing like when they are in the wild, as an instructor, you should know.
And how can you claim to be a pro-environmentalist when you actually support fishes to be in aquariums? I also can't imagine how you can be an instructor when you feel that less people should go diving. Perhaps that's why you are an 'ex' instructor. Guess thats a good thing.
You said 'ALL' your students stress out corals, I however feel that it has a lot to do with the instructor in question. Bad instructor = bad students. Simple as that. lovells19 is right, You can choose not to bring them to the corals. Yes, new divers tend to not control buoyancy well, (can you remember the first time you drive? you probably drove the car like a snail too) thats why it is ALWAYS adviced to do training dives on sandy bottoms. It is stated in the instructor manuals. (you wouldn't bring a first time driver to the express way would you?)
I always tell my students to 'take nothing but photos, and leave nothing but bubbles.' and they all turn out to be responsible divers. I feel that people have the right to explore the blue planet we live in, (provided it is done responsibly) instead of putting stressed fishes in tanks just so we can taken photos of them.
I totally agree with lovells19 that fishes at aquarium are usually under tremendous stress. you can tell even by the way they swim. An do you know how much by-catches there are in the exotic fish trade, and how many Nemo died for every Nemo you see in an aquarium? Perhaps you should read on it. I'm sure it would shock you to. Guess they should change the title to 'Killing Nemo' instead.

Originally Posted by s598719 Perhaps, u can lobby the govt to close the aquarium shops, the birdshops, the zoo, the birdpark, UW Sentosa, & make sure the new IR displays no dolphins, whalesharks. And for the matter, the most stress animals are the dogs. And did u know so many corals were destroyed so they can built Sentosa Cove.

I think this is a lame back shot. Since you are so 'pro-environmental' yourself, perhaps you should start the ball rolling. Don't ask others to do something you can't or wouldn't.
And if you are as eco as claimed, perhaps you should consider not driving or taking any form of motorised transport, they release tons of fumes too. and you should stop eating meat for good. Go green my friend!

[s598719]

Originally Posted by divelogic I would probably be blasted for this, but I find a need to say something. No, the shot doesn't look like a real U/W shot cos the anemone is half dead as you can see. That is usually the case when they are kept in captivity. They look nothing like when they are in the wild, as an instructor, you should know. And how can you claim to be a pro-environmentalist when you actually support fishes to be in aquariums? I also can't imagine how you can be an instructor when you feel that less people should go diving. Perhaps that's why you are an 'ex' instructor. Guess thats a good thing. You said 'ALL' your students stress out corals, I however feel that it as a lot to do with the instructor in question. Bad instructor = bad students. Simple as that. lovells19 in right, You can choose not to bring them to the corals. Yes, new divers tend to not control buoyancy well, (can you remember the first time you drive? you probably drove the car like a snail too) thats why it is ALWAYS adviced to do training dives on sandy bottoms. It is stated in the instructor manuals. (you wouldn't bring a first time driver to the express way would you?) I always tell my students to 'take nothing but photos, and leave nothing but bubbles.' and they all turn out to be responsible divers. I feel that people have the right to explore the blue planet we live in, (provided it is done responsibly) instead of putting stressed fishes in tanks just so we can taken photos of them. I totally agree with lovells19 that fishes at aquarium are usually under tremendous stress. you can tell even by the way they swim. An do you know how much by-catches there are in the exotic fish trade, and how many Nemo died for every Nemo you see in an aquarium? Perhaps you should read on it. I'm sure it would shock you to. Guess they should change the title to 'Killing Nemo' instead. I think this is a lame back shot. Since you are so 'pro-environmental' yourself, perhaps you should start the ball rolling. Don't ask others to do something you can't or wouldn't. And if you are as eco as claimed, perhaps you should consider not driving or taking any form of motorised transport, they release tons of fumes too. and you should stop eating meat for good. Go green my friend!

You are totally illogical. Going by ur logic, you should not use electricity since it pollutes; therefore, u should not take a boat out cause it pollutes; so u should stay home; no TV, no fridge.....u r nuts. Why? Because you said: "Bad instructor = bad students". I was there to assist students to better control buoyancy & educate them on caring for marine environment. You have thrown me a left hook; I like to punch u & give you a KO. You are disrespectful. Don't know what u know in school.

Divers caused a lot of stress to corals & that is a fact. Everytime, u go out there.....ur boat will anchor on the reef, rite. I have dived before so i know. This has nothing to do with buoyancy control. I have nothing against diving......but if too many people to it, there won't be any left. Corals occupied 1% of the earth's surface. So when u encourage ur friends to go diving, u r adding to the problem. Tell them to go UW Sentosa instead. They can dive there too.

[jelimon]

Originally Posted by s598719 And also ex-diving instructor.

Thank god. Can't imagine being taught by an instructor who has no say in where to conduct the underwater drills.

IMHO, although it's not worth much, Dive logic makes perfect sense. As for you, u're just a troll....

[divelogic]

Originally Posted by s598719 You are totally illogical. Going by ur logic, you should not use electricity since it pollutes; therefore, u should not take a boat out cause it pollutes; so u should stay home; no TV, no fridge.....u r nuts. Divers caused a lot of stress to corals & that is a fact. Everytime, u go out there.....ur boat will anchor on the reef, rite. I have dived before so i know. This has nothing to do with buoyancy control. I have nothing against diving......but if too many people to it, there won't be any left. Corals occupied 1% of the earth's surface. So when u encourage ur friends to go diving, u r adding to the problem. Tell them to go UW Sentosa instead. They can dive there too.

Sorry, I never claim to be pro-enviromental like you, nor do I claim to be anywhere near that. so i don't fall into the same catgory as your good self. Like many divers I know, we try to do our part by being responsible. We don't claim to change the world, just doing what we can.
As for the 'logic' part, I was merly quoting how unrealistic your post was. in it, you asked lovells19 to "lobby the govt to close the aquarium shops, the birdshops, the zoo, the birdpark, UW Sentosa, & make sure the new IR displays no dolphins, whalesharks. And for the matter, the most stress animals are the dogs. And did u know so many corals were destroyed so they can built Sentosa Cove. To anyone reading, it sure seems you are damn 'eco' since you got so much things to say... so i said, if you are so eco, then eco all the way ya. Its not realistic, I know, but guess who started it? If you call me 'nuts',.. than guess who's the bigger nut here?

And sorry, you clearly have not dived for a very long time. We do not anchor anymore. It is not allowed. There are bouy lines to most sights, if not we drift... maybe you don't do that in the 90s, but thats how its mostly done now. I can't say the same for all boats, but at least it doesn't happen on mine.

Lastly, you can't claim to be a pro-environmental but still support putting fishes in tanks, and asking everyone to come see. Ask anyone and they'd agree. You call this respecting nature? Thats my point. No offence, maybe it's just your 'angle' of looking at things.

[lovells19]

1% of mother earth and we're digging it out so we can put it in the aquarium and kill it is no better.

Like I said, me and many of my fellow instructors put in extras to teach our divers about the marine eco system. Training is always conducted on sandy patches. and if the diver is unable to attain better buoyancy, they will never be allowed to go near to corals.

This we make know to them before the dives, so its either they put in effort to improve, or they'll see sand for the weekend.

If your chief instructor say its ok to teach on the corals, I'd love to spear his little butt.. ok we know this is impossible, but there are many irresponsible instructors out there and they ought to stop teaching and stay away from the water.

what you say is true.. we should not use electricity, or use energy, but we cannot, cos we have grown to be very very dependent on it. but you are not depending on aquariums to keep you warm, or charge your laptop, or cook your meals, or power your cars rite?

So lets not have aquariums, that is what we're all trying to say.

relax don't fight working together will help.. not fight