Jail perhaps underage..boy's home more like it...
The spirit of yellow ribbon.."2nd Chance"..he never go it, how to give chance...
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Doesnt' work that way. Jail time = Criminal record = No more entry to university.
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just a thought....
has he got any track of records or signs of violence?
will he pose a danger to his fellow schoolmates?
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wow few hundred of posts liao....anyway when will the verdict be heard? or has the verdict been done liao? excited to know wat will be the outcome of this kid
But I am just looking from the father's viewpoint, he must be devastated enough to bring himself to kneel and beg for his son and I am sure if that young man had seen what his father had to do because of his actions and still did not feel remorseful, he must be dead wood with no feelings at all.
I see your point about "community service", didn't know that it could be abused in such ways, well people have been trying to beat "the system" from as way back when. Even corporate companies when they go to "off-site meeting", retreat to some resort they usually put a positive spin in all their destinations, like they won't say Gold Coast but say Brisbane instead, they won't say Bali but Denpasar instead.
It is obvious that the father knows the consequence of his sons actions, more so than the idiot of his loins, who was thinking with his testicles showing how macho and tough he is in front of his girlfriend.
No sympathies for him. There is no place for violence (especially with population density increasing.... it's only going to get worse).
I like this quote.Originally Posted by Frijj
Violence should never be condone, totally agree with that, but also in a graceful society there must be must sort of balance that can be found to give people a second chance, anyway... there's going to be different opinion in this and I respect and accept that.Originally Posted by Frijj
Ok, so next time if someone beats you up, you will just sit there and get beaten to death. And in paradise you can tell whoever you meet that you are a true (but dead) man.
That line is applicable only to a certain extent. Please note that this is nothing to do with the incident, just nitpicking!
Right now, the 2 main parties involved are singing a different song. Why so quick to jump to the side of one? That is not being objective at all - simply assuming that the bus driver was absolutely innocent is quite ridiculous, as that premise is based on nothing but the observations of the other passengers, mind you. Need I mention that provoking can be done calmly and silently, thereby rendering others' observations absolutely worthless?
Same for this sense of morality, or what is termed in the bigger picture as wisdom. I can come from a good school. I can be surrounded by people of good character and good temper. But all these amount to nothing, if I refuse to learn from them. =)
Who else sees that the story is not exactly objective, and the information dished out is not exactly very comprehensive and crystal clear? =)
Easy to judge, but we need a mirror sometimes. =)
The subsequent cowardly explanation: http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/printfr...130302,00.html
Sch Caning (be it public or behind close doors) - Don't think its going to happen. HC has already chosen the easy way out.Originally Posted by The New Paper
Action from SBS - Article does not provide any updates. My guess is that if the parents compensate the driver for his injuries, they may not press charges.
Conclusion: Another brat gets away cheap and fails to learn what being responsible for your actions is.
I would be fair and objective and take everything I read with a pinch of salt, especially when the story appears to favour one party more than another, and objectiveness is lost.
An example of what I'm saying:
Let us not underestimate the powers of the media and suddenly forget that we are a nation where many, many people rant against the fact that there is only ONE main newspaper company.On March 3, 1991, King, on parole from prison on a robbery conviction, led police on a high speed pursuit, refusing to pull over in response to the red lights and sirens behind him. Finally, after driving through several red lights and boulevard stops, he pulled over in the Lake View Terrace district. The Los Angeles police were assisted by other law enforcement. King, who had a record of drunk driving and was believed to be under the influence of PCP by the officers on scene, resisted arrest even after being tasered, tackled, and struck with batons by four LAPD officers: Ofc. Laurence Powell, Ofc. Timothy Wind, Ofc. Theodore Briseno and Sgt. Stacey Koon (three whites and one Hispanic). He is also alleged to have lunged for the weapon of one of the police officers on site, although that event, supposedly being early in the altercation, was not caught on the tape.
You want examples? Just look at all the rugby reports for secondary and JC playoffs, I don't have to say anymore.
The Rodney King incident was treated as a repeat offender case, he had a bad background, etc. If there was no true record of the incident, the abuse of power by the police back then due to their own prejudices would have gone unrecorded, and they would not have suffered any consequences (speaking of which, all of the officers indicted were acquitted anyways).
Does Singapore need to go down this road?
We all seem to have this inane need to want to judge quickly, decisively, for whatever reason. I don't know, to put it candidly it seems to me that we just want to show our moral superiority, that we know what is right and what is wrong.
I'm not siding with the boy, do not mistake me. I'm just saying that I'm godawful tired of seeing all these funny arguments where people take sides and jump to conclusions and make drastic leaps in logic based on what they read in the newspapers. It gets even more ironic when you remember previous threads where some of these very people (not pointing fingers at anyone here) posted that they were sick and tired of getting only one POV.
I leave you with this question - would you, as a judge, convict the boy based on all these statements? Without any room for investigation whether his claims were true, thereby providing a plausible explanation for his actions, which would not be then so severe since he was provoked?
If you would not, then it would be rather hypocritical to judge him in your own minds now, based on these very 2 reports, would it?
Last edited by night86mare; 17th May 2007 at 09:36 AM.
I don't see it as "2 main parties.. singing a different song". As far as I can tell from the article, the driver's account and the passengers' account are consistent. I agree with you that provocation can be done quite unobtrusively but it still does not justify what the student's punching & slapping of the driver.
Violence is wrong in this society, it has no place in civilised life, that much is true.
But if the bus driver is going out of his way to provoke students with a certain amount of high-handedness, as what is suggested by the student's account - don't you think something should be done?
Just because he has been punched doesn't mean diddly squat to me, if he did what the student claim he did. Once again, the punching is another thing altogether.
I don't know about you, but if what the student said is true, then if I were in his shoes, I'd have waited for the bus inspector to arrive, proven that the card was indeed the girlfriend's, and thoroughly rub it into the bus driver's face by making a thorough complaint about his high-handedness and conduct. I have encountered errant taxi drivers before, and I did not hesitate to make sure that their actions went unnoticed. Call it petty or by any other name, but I view it as demanding the consumer's right where it is warranted.
It is very easy to overlook certain things - but sometimes problems go unnoticed. What if 2 weeks later another student makes the very same complaint, that the bus driver is harassing him and his friends for no particular reason, etc? Then would this very student be a hero then? Think about it.