FL50 from FL36

[ungvarec]

olympus-fl36.ungvarec.com
It really works!!!

[OlyFlyer]

There is no text, my guess is that two batteries are connected in series with the existing two. So here is my verdict!

WARNING! BEWARE! YOU ARE RISKING BODYLY HARM IF YOU FOLLOW THE STEPS OF THAT SITE.

If you connect two more batteries in series with the two already existing it may work. My guess is however that sooner or later (probably sooner) the whole thing will blow up in your face.

THIS IS A NO NO NO ABSOLUTELY NEVER DO IT THING.

Very bad DIY solution, non professional and extremely dangerous!!!!!!!!!

If those batteries explode in your face you may loose your eyes (if you survive). If you are lucky, only the flash and the camera is destroyed in the explosion, if less lucky you, or people around you will need immediate medical care. Your insurance will probably void and not cover anything since you caused the demage through this stupid carelessnes.

I could carry on forever with my warnings but by now only an idiot needs more words!

I suggest this thread to be removed completely so that no newbies get any ideas from it. Besides, FL-50 is not only about four batteries. It is a different flash all together.

Very bad starting post from a new member.

[ungvarec]

Originally Posted by OlyFlyer There is no text, my guess is that two batteries are connected in series with the existing two. So here is my verdict! WARNING! BEWARE! YOU ARE RISKING BODYLY HARM IF YOU FOLLOW THE STEPS OF THAT SITE. If you connect two more batteries in series with the two already existing it may work. My guess is however that sooner or later (probably sooner) the whole thing will blow up in your face. THIS IS A NO NO NO ABSOLUTELY NEVER DO IT THING. Very bad DIY solution, non professional and extremely dangerous!!!!!!!!! If those batteries explode in your face you may loose your eyes (if you survive). If you are lucky, only the flash and the camera is destroyed in the explosion, if less lucky you, or people around you will need immediate medical care. Your insurance will probably void and not cover anything since you caused the demage through this stupid carelessnes. I could carry on forever with my warnings but by now only an idiot needs more words! I suggest this thread to be removed completely so that no newbies get any ideas from it. Besides, FL-50 is not only about four batteries. It is a different flash all together. Very bad starting post from a new member.

Why such reaction? FL36 works four months without any problems! It is necessary to understand electronics, and then to speak nonsense! Excuse for such reaction to your words and bad English!

[Panzer]

Interesting, but I wouldn't meddle with the FL36 like this (safety concerns aside) as it is not exactly a cheap flash and also it doesn't look good at all.

[ungvarec]

There is a Russian proverb - who does not risk, that does not drink a champagne
On page RUS there is a detailed description in Russian. I do not know so well English to make correct translation.

[OlyFlyer]

Originally Posted by ungvarec Why such reaction? FL36 works four months without any problems! It is necessary to understand electronics, and then to speak nonsense! Excuse for such reaction to your words and bad English!

If you understand electronics you understand what I mean. I stand for every word in my posts and definitely understand electronics since over 30 years. So try to find some more about members before you comment them. It is not me who seems to have missed one or two lectures at school. What you try to suggest is just crazy and hopefully ppl here will understand that.

The reaction I had is just an expression of how I feel about your idea. What you do with your gear and your life is up to you, but I think it is wrong and irresponsible to post an idea that is directly dangerous to ppl's gear or ppl who implement your idea.

That's just me, an engineer with over 30 years of experience and about 35 years of DIY experience in many fields, mostly computing, electronics, programming and photo.

Your suggestion is really bad. Unless you modify the FL-36 internally there is no way that your idea is safe, even if it could work for some time. Don't tell your insurance company what you are doing. I am not going to discuss this further.

I placed my warnings and they will stay there unless admin removes my posts. The best you can do to this community at the moment is deleting this thread (only admin and you can do that) and in that case my warninga are gone too. I have nothing else to say.

[ungvarec]

The person understanding in electronics could that that clever to tell on a theme. At you silly emotions of the housewife and attributes of unhealthy vanity. You at all in a condition to understand that is written in the table. Anybody forces it to do nobody. I know people at whom FL36 costs without work because slow. To you have offered a variant. To whom interestingly that will try.

[selamatlzh]

Have you tried parallel instead of serial ? I suppose it will also give more power should also reduce recycle time.

[ungvarec]

Consecutive inclusion more favourable. Batteries of a feed are more effectively used. It is checked up. At parallel the operating time from one complete set increases in 1,5 times. At consecutive almost in 3 times! We can use each accumulator almost up to 0,5V. At the same time removing and effect of memory. By efficiency of use of batteries it turns out even better than at FL50 due to the internal converter of a pressure for a feed of microcircuits. Do not abuse for bad English, I hope idea it is clear.

[holidaydom]

Originally Posted by ungvarec Consecutive inclusion more favourable. Batteries of a feed are more effectively used. It is checked up. At parallel the operating time from one complete set increases in 1,5 times. At consecutive almost in 3 times! We can use each accumulator almost up to 0,5V. At the same time removing and effect of memory. By efficiency of use of batteries it turns out even better than at FL50 due to the internal converter of a pressure for a feed of microcircuits. Do not abuse for bad English, I hope idea it is clear.

Seriously, is there really a need to get all shakespeare with your bombastic english?

This is a forum and everyone are entilted to their ideas.

I'm not taking sides here; Your sharing of ideas is sincerely appreciated but please vent your hostilities elsewhere.

Your FL36 may have been running fine for the past 4 months but that largely also depends on the type of batteries you're using and your usage pattern.

I can only imagine what would happen if you run it with four 2700mAh batteries and constantly pop the flash at full power and at high frequency.

I don't think the charging circuits or the flash tube in the FL36 was designed for such abuse.

While I'm no expert when it comes to electronics, the overall aproach seems logical but the bottom line is that this is like putting rocket fuel in your car - the engine will run for sure, but it's not designed to take that kind of load and will probably blow up one day.

P/S: If you're going to take an aggressive stance to my post, please flame me in normal english so that I at least have a fighting chance at a witty retort! Thanks~!!

[kenjii]

HI everyone;
i'm jus a basic user...with little or zero knowledge with electronic...definitely i wont diy in that manner....OlyFlyer concern about safety and i agree with him.
Rest is up to individual

Hapey shooting safely
kenjii

[dorts]

I agree with OlyFlyer. I am a newbie here too. I don't even own this flash. But from what I see, it is dangerous. Yes we should take risks, but responsible risk. So what if yours is working flawlessly? It may not for others. Safety is more important.

[ungvarec]

I do not wish anybody to offend, but in technics you are weak My knowledge of English does not allow me to explain in detail as it works. It is your personal choice. I have risked. Has decided to tell another to whom interestingly. And you my Hungarian know worse than I your English

[OlyFlyer]

Originally Posted by ungvarec I do not wish anybody to offend, but in technics you are weak My knowledge of English does not allow me to explain in detail as it works. It is your personal choice. I have risked. Has decided to tell another to whom interestingly. And you my Hungarian know worse than I your English

Bocsanánat de én ezt nem értem, te magyar vagy? Azt hittem orosz vagy.

In English: Sorry, I don't get it. Are you Hungarian? I thought you were Russian.
Actually, you may mean: Only your Hungarian is worse than your English. I don't really understand that sentence.

Unfortunately, the only words I remember in Russian are words we shouted at the Soviet occupants, soldiers and their wives back in Hungary during 1960's and 70's and those words are not the ones I want to repeat. Brainwashing in my youth did no good in Russian language, in spite the fact that I was forced to learn during 10 years. In fact, it had the very opposite effect. I was very good at tests but as soon as I left the school only the dirty words remained in my brains. It's a shame. Anyway, if you are Hungarian, please tell me what you mean and I try to translate to better English. That is if you are not so arrogant and unfriendly. You must accept the fact that you are not the only one here with some knowledge. I have seen exploded NiMH batteries in my life and I know what demage they may cause. Anyway, if you want to place a friendlier message on CS I can help you translate from Hungarian, German, French, Italian and of course Swedish. Sorry, not from Russian.

Now back to the quoted text in English, I think the one who is weak, not only in English but also in electronics is you, at least that is what you show here. The FL-36 is designed to be used with 3V maximum. You may say that 2 NiMh batteries only give 1.2x2=2.4 volts and that is true. You have some margin before you reach 3V. If you would have suggested just one more battery, I may not even commented it, because that would only slightly be out of specs. Please note, I am not saying anybody should try that! But to suggest a 100% increase is just too much. As for calling it FL-50 that is also very wrong. Even if your flash is working, an FL-36 is an FL-36 nothing else. There are more differences than the recharge speed between the FL-36 and the FL-50, the most important one is actually the GN. There is a big difference between GN36 and GN50. The FL-36 can never give more power (emmit more light) than it is designed for, it does not have the same main capacitor and flash tube or any other part as the FL-50. So even if we disregard all the other errors in your proposal to call it FL-50 is just pure nonsense. Every person with some basic flash or electronic knowledge should understand that.

So far I have not adressed you personally with any bad names or arrogant words. Please, if you continue here, try to be less arrogant. It is OK if your English knowledge is limited or bad but it is not OK to use bad language. My Enlish is also not perfect since it is not my main language. If you want to convice people about your idea try to stick to that part and explain. Your idea is not going to be accepted just because you say it works, or because you do not speak English, or because you are Russian (or Hungarian). That is not an argument. Calling others weak does not help in finding supporters, especially in your first posts as a new member.

Originally Posted by ungvarec At you silly emotions of the housewife and attributes of unhealthy vanity.

Using attributes and sentences like the above are not helping in convincing anybody. While I was laughing, others may feel offended. So, please change your attitude or leave to some place else were language like that is accepted and welcome. This forum is visited by many nations, races, religions AND both sexes (man AND women). I guess everybody is welcome, but I suppose there is a thing called netiquette. Please find out what it is and follow that. You will win in the long run if you do that.

[ungvarec]

Szevasz! Kichi a vilag, ugye? Nem haragszom azokert a szavakert, megesik velem is neha Arra gondoltam hogy az angolok ne tuddyak annyira a magyart, mint en az agolt:0 A 3V-rol - nem csak NiMh elemekkel megy a vaku, hanem 1,5 voltosktol is, innen a 3V es a 6V. Ebben remelem meggegyezik a velemenynk. A feszultsegatalakito 2,4V-bol legalabb 6V chinal, mert eddik esik a fogyastas feltoltot kondival (140-160mA-rol 70-80mA-ig). Tovabb - a kondin a feszultseg nem lehet nagyobb 300-320 voltnal, mert ennel az erteknel lekapscol a feszhatarolo. Egyetlen szuk helye az egesznek hogy az atalakito tranzisztoryai telyesen kisutott kondival nagyobb arommal kell hogy dolgozzanak. Ettol feltem a legyobban, de ugy nez ki hogy 4,5 ampernal nagybb aramot nem fogyast a vaku fuggetlenul a tapfesztol. Maskulomben most merre laksz? En Ungvaron lakom, ez mar nem oroszorszag

[ungvarec]

Originally Posted by OlyFlyer Using attributes and sentences like the above are not helping in convincing anybody. While I was laughing, others may feel offended. So, please change your attitude or leave to some place else were language like that is accepted and welcome. This forum is visited by many nations, races, religions AND both sexes (man AND women). I guess everybody is welcome, but I suppose there is a thing called netiquette. Please find out what it is and follow that. You will win in the long run if you do that.

Ne haragudy, de olvasd el miket irtal ossze, nem vagy yobb nalam

[ziploc]

Moderator's note:

Please be reminded of the forum rules and terms of service, in particular item 1 & 5.

Regarding the modification. Please do not follow blindly on everything that you read on the internet! The TS intention might be good, but unless you really know what you're doing, improper modification to electronic circuitaries could cause injuries to yourself. I'm hereby closing this thread from further discussion.