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    Hi!

    Anyone finished these 2 books 三國演義 and 三國志 ?
    Which are the characters in 三國演義 and not in 三國志 ?
    I only know 貂蟬 is in 演義 version but not the real version as in 三國志 ?
    Any more pls help thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvin View Post
    Hi!

    Anyone finished these 2 books 三國演義 and 三國志 ?
    Which are the characters in 三國演義 and not in 三國志 ?
    I only know 貂蟬 is in 演義 version but not the real version as in 三國志 ?
    Any more pls help thanks!
    貂蟬 should be in both version. She is a real character during that era as Wang Yun present her to Dong Zhuo and Lu Bu as 连环计 so that can make them kill one another.
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    zhou cang is not in the real history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis247 View Post
    貂蟬 should be in both version. She is a real character during that era as Wang Yun present her to Dong Zhuo and Lu Bu as 连环计 so that can make them kill one another.
    don't think it's recorded in the actual history

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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    don't think it's recorded in the actual history
    diao chan is in the real history la.

    she's rank as one of top 5 chinese beauties in ancient china.



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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    don't think it's recorded in the actual history
    I think not enough details about her...
    http://www.wku.edu/~yuanh/China/tales/diaochan_b.htm
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    then diao chan is fake la. basket. those historical scholars beta wake up their idea!
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    here's an interesting website http://bbs5.news.163.com/history/329...9.html?userid=

    this is funny, quoting from the website

    《三国演义》在吕布死了以后,也未对貂蝉作交代。关公月下斩貂蝉,大多史学家认为是虚构。如果是真事,关羽 也太不配做男人了。

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    then diao chan is fake la. basket. those historical scholars beta wake up their idea!
    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    here's an interesting website http://bbs5.news.163.com/history/329...9.html?userid=

    this is funny, quoting from the website

    《三国演义》在吕布死了以后,也未对貂蝉作交代。关公月下斩貂蝉,大多史学家认为是虚构。如果是真事,关羽 也太不配做男人了。

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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    here's an interesting website http://bbs5.news.163.com/history/329...9.html?userid=

    this is funny, quoting from the website

    《三国演义》在吕布死了以后,也未对貂蝉作交代。关公月下斩貂蝉,大多史学家认为是虚构。如果是真事,关羽 也太不配做男人了。

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
    if the info from that website is reliable, looks like 罗贯中 did not do alot of historical characters much justice
    Last edited by eikin; 5th May 2007 at 01:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    if the info from that website is reliable, looks like 罗贯中 did not do alot of historical character much justice
    Yah...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis247 View Post
    Yah...
    but 罗贯中 got put disclaimer leh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis247 View Post
    貂蟬 should be in both version. She is a real character during that era as Wang Yun present her to Dong Zhuo and Lu Bu as 连环计 so that can make them kill one another.
    Its not 连环计, should b 美人计.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venom81 View Post
    Its not 连环计, should b 美人计.
    连环计 was designed by 王允, 貂蟬 was part of his plan in the story

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    罗贯中 read, collected acticles abt 3 kingdoms, and also read abt 三国志, and he make it like a story.

    The real 三国志, is boring, and alot of deep mandrain in it, thus causing alot of ppl failing to read it. It is done by a official, that lives and serve in wei after shu die, that he wrote it b4 most officials involve in the early part die. He interviewed the servant of zhuge liang. And the servant says when liang is alive, nothing great abt him, after he dies, then he find no one is his match.

    To be honest, alot of officials never appear in 罗贯中 book.

    The real book comprise of mostly the 3 kingdoms officials, wei, shu and wu officials, so some officials appear abit only. The successful abt this real book is that what ever appear in any official writeup, will never appear in another part, thus making other historian at that time unable to compare.

    Thus 罗贯中 inorder to make it fascinating, links alot of parts together, to make it a story line w/o broken link. But as he did so, he come up with alot of stories.

    Fake are zhuo cang, never he was there, zhuge liang 空城计, 空城计 was used by zhao yun actually, and alot more.

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    罗贯中 make ppl read with interest, and his book make it the top seller.

    Alot ppl read and mistook that what he wrote is correct, but fail to realised 演义 was a story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    diao chan is in the real history la.

    she's rank as one of top 5 chinese beauties in ancient china.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    then diao chan is fake la. basket. those historical scholars beta wake up their idea!
    貂蟬 is real lah... from what i know she only appears in 演義 version, in the real version it is recorded in 《三國志.呂布傳》提及「卓常使布守中閣,布與卓侍婢私通,恐事發覺,心不自安」,侍婢並未明 示貂蟬之名。

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvin View Post
    貂蟬 is real lah... from what i know she only appears in 演義 version, in the real version it is recorded in 《三國志.呂布傳》提及「卓常使布守中閣,布與卓侍婢私通,恐事發覺,心不自安」,侍婢並未明 示貂蟬之名。
    got historians refute leh

    difficult la.
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