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    Comparing security is a totally redundant act in today's world. Macintosh never was more secure against viruses and hackers because of the underlying code, but because the userbase was and IS so tiny that no one really bothers to try anything. On the other hand, make an OS a hundred times more secure but with the userbase the size of Window's, and you're going to have several hundred thousand hackers trying to crack the code at any one moment. The result is that someone WILL crack it.

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    Mac OS X is merely a flavor of Unix, similar to Linux, *BSD, Solaris, AIX, etc.

    To a determined hacker, any OS under the sun (well, maybe with the exception of the DEC VMS operating system) is fair game. Nothing can stop a determined hacker, period.

    Now, the good news is, determined hackers aren't really bothered about you and me. Our nemesis are the "script kiddies", trojan/worm/phishers etc. In short, the guys that target the masses (in contrast to determined hackers who target singular systems).

    For these mass infecting security threats, a Unix-flavored OS is less likely to be targeted. Why? Because Unix flavored OSes are, like Unix, designed with security in mind, from the ground up, and not added as an afterthought. This makes writing trojans/worms for Unix flavored OSes an unrewarding, unflattering pain in the ass. Of course, this is further compounded by the fact that the majority does indeed use Windows and there is very little "glory" or "bragging rights" for the trojan/worm writer to work hard on the minority, where he might not even succeed.

    In short, Vista in its future incarnations will continue to be plagued by countless rehashes of trojans and worms, regardless of any so-called security claims, compared to minority, good pedigree OSes such as Mac OS X.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunbucker View Post
    Mac OS X is merely a flavor of Unix, similar to Linux, *BSD, Solaris, AIX, etc.

    To a determined hacker, any OS under the sun (well, maybe with the exception of the DEC VMS operating system) is fair game. Nothing can stop a determined hacker, period.

    Now, the good news is, determined hackers aren't really bothered about you and me. Our nemesis are the "script kiddies", trojan/worm/phishers etc. In short, the guys that target the masses (in contrast to determined hackers who target singular systems).

    For these mass infecting security threats, a Unix-flavored OS is less likely to be targeted. Why? Because Unix flavored OSes are, like Unix, designed with security in mind, from the ground up, and not added as an afterthought. This makes writing trojans/worms for Unix flavored OSes an unrewarding, unflattering pain in the ass. Of course, this is further compounded by the fact that the majority does indeed use Windows and there is very little "glory" or "bragging rights" for the trojan/worm writer to work hard on the minority, where he might not even succeed.

    In short, Vista in its future incarnations will continue to be plagued by countless rehashes of trojans and worms, regardless of any so-called security claims, compared to minority, good pedigree OSes such as Mac OS X.
    Yes that is true. Any Mac (UNIX) based system that is not hardened is still hackable. Is just that the userbase is too small to be an attractive target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zplus View Post
    Yes that is true. Any Mac (UNIX) based system that is not hardened is still hackable. Is just that the userbase is too small to be an attractive target.
    BTW when will the new OS launch for Macnonald be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plsoong View Post
    BTW when will the new OS launch for Macdonald be?
    Once they have enriched the recipe with extra sauce, lettuce, and meat patties. As early as summar or as late as fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunbucker View Post
    Once they have enriched the recipe with extra sauce, lettuce, and meat patties. As early as summar or as late as fall.

    summer reference to Europe or US?

    European summer can be in june-july that area....

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    The WOW Starts here. Yes, the price tag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plsoong View Post
    summer reference to Europe or US?

    European summer can be in june-july that area....
    US reference.

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    Is there a virus that can be sent back to the originator of the virus?? Why can't they leave innocent users alone.

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    You think there's no conspiracy between the virus maker and the virus scanner ppl?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunbucker View Post
    Once they have enriched the recipe with extra sauce, lettuce, and meat patties. As early as summar or as late as fall.
    It'll be out in October.

    Update - In a statement on the company's Hot News page Thursday, Apple said that Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard will not ship until October, missing the company's Spring forecast. Apple cited the iPhone for Leopard's delay:

    "iPhone contains the most sophisticated software ever shipped on a mobile device, and finishing it on time has not come without a price — we had to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from our Mac OS X team, and as a result we will not be able to release Leopard at our Worldwide Developers Conference in early June as planned."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Ang View Post
    You think there's no conspiracy between the virus maker and the virus scanner ppl?
    i think they have.

    i heard MS actually planted something into their patches so that the old OS gives lots of problems, then market their new toys as trouble free. looks like the OS makers r in the loop also.

    talking about hacking... organisers have to pay US$10000 for people to be interested in hacking the mac os, not sure if any of u guys have read it, it was last week or older news liao.

    my initial impression was that mac os was built base on unix, so shud be more secure. this article really woke me up.

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    If UNIX is written from ground up with security in mind, it means it is harder to hack. Isn't system that is harder to hack more rewarding to hackers??

    Then why aren't there more hackers targetting Mc OS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Potter View Post
    If UNIX is written from ground up with security in mind, it means it is harder to hack. Isn't system that is harder to hack more rewarding to hackers??

    Then why aren't there more hackers targetting Mc OS?
    Try first to understand the difference between a "Hacker" and a "Worm/Trojan" virus writer.

    Then re-read my earlier post carefully about how a determined hacker isn't concerned with the masses, be it Mac, Windows, or Linux, but more inclined to specific systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunbucker View Post
    Try first to understand the difference between a "Hacker" and a "Worm/Trojan" virus writer.

    Then re-read my earlier post carefully about how a determined hacker isn't concerned with the masses, be it Mac, Windows, or Linux, but more inclined to specific systems.
    Wormers and trojanators' aim is to spread!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Potter View Post
    Wormers and trojanators' aim is to spread!!
    Exactly! This is why it is not rewarding for these worm/trojan virus writers to spend hard work for a small population such as the Mac users. They get a major high seeing headlines like "30 million Windows PCs infected!"

    Determined Hackers on the other hand target specific systems, be it for the challenge, or profit (mercenary acts). The only known OS in history that has not been successfully hacked is the VMS. An ancient dinosaur, yes, but still operating in many banks, and government institutions.

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    Anyone moved to Vista already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunbucker View Post
    Exactly! This is why it is not rewarding for these worm/trojan virus writers to spend hard work for a small population such as the Mac users. They get a major high seeing headlines like "30 million Windows PCs infected!"

    Determined Hackers on the other hand target specific systems, be it for the challenge, or profit (mercenary acts). The only known OS in history that has not been successfully hacked is the VMS. An ancient dinosaur, yes, but still operating in many banks, and government institutions.
    If VMS is so secured, its code should be implemented in other vulnerable OSes for the good of the world!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Potter View Post
    If VMS is so secured, its code should be implemented in other vulnerable OSes for the good of the world!!!
    Well, yes they did, in a way. Microsoft brought over Dave Cutler, the chief architect of the VMS to write Windows NT.

    Let's just say Dave Cutler didn't exactly have his own way on how NT should be designed, which is why NT's descendants such as Win2000, XP, Vista etc are still having issues.

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    its always social engineering at play.

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