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    Default Lightroom and CS3 expert pls help

    Hello everyone....

    I try incoorporate LR into my workflow... but i encountered some issues..
    I imported my RAW file into LR, and export it out as a Prophoto 16bit Color Space, into CS3.
    But i noticed that in CS3, the color become no longer as vivid as those imported RAW in LR.
    Why is that so?
    My CS color space is set to Prophoto too... i understand that LR by default is using prophoto profile.

    oh, my monitor is calibrated too with Spyder2pro.

    Another question is while using AdobeRGB in CS3, LR and DPP, 3 different application show different color saturation... why ah?

    Expert please help!! Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by renzero View Post
    Hello everyone....

    I try incoorporate LR into my workflow... but i encountered some issues..
    I imported my RAW file into LR, and export it out as a Prophoto 16bit Color Space, into CS3.
    But i noticed that in CS3, the color become no longer as vivid as those imported RAW in LR.
    Why is that so?
    My CS color space is set to Prophoto too... i understand that LR by default is using prophoto profile.

    oh, my monitor is calibrated too with Spyder2pro.

    Another question is while using AdobeRGB in CS3, LR and DPP, 3 different application show different color saturation... why ah?

    Expert please help!! Thanks in advance
    My question to you is why do you want to set your CS color space to ProPhoto? Set your LR and CS profile to either SRGB or Adobe RGB. I suggest the latter.

    Your monitor will only show color gamut in sRGB, unless you are using an Eizo. No point using ProPhoto profile. It is like killing a mosquito using a nuclear warhead.
    Last edited by photobum; 3rd May 2007 at 12:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by photobum View Post
    My question to you is why do you want to set your CS color space to ProPhoto? Set your LR and CS profile to either SRGB or Adobe RGB. I suggest the latter.

    Your monitor will only show color gamut in sRGB, unless you are using an Eizo. No point using ProPhoto profile. It is like killing a mosquito using a nuclear warhead.
    Hmm.. yes i am using an Eizo.. That's why i try to maximise the usage for teh largest color gamut.

    But even with ARGB or SRGB, i have similar problem.... the SRGB view on IE/Firefox apprear different from CS3 or LR... It's just not consistent from one application to another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renzero View Post
    Hmm.. yes i am using an Eizo.. That's why i try to maximise the usage for teh largest color gamut.

    But even with ARGB or SRGB, i have similar problem.... the SRGB view on IE/Firefox apprear different from CS3 or LR... It's just not consistent from one application to another.
    Even you do use an Eizo, how do you intend to output your images? If your output devices do not support ProPhoto profile, it is still pointless.

    I don't call myself a 'color expert' but do you realise that currently top-of-the-line Eizo can only display up to 96% (+/- 2% depending on various calibration methods) of ARGB gamut (your Eizo brochure may claim 100%). ProPhoto even larger than the Adobe Wide Gamut RGB Color Space. One of the downsides to this color space is that approximately 13% of the representable colors are imaginary colors that do not exist and are not visible colors. This means that potential color accuracy is wasted for reserving these unnecessary colors.

    In digital imaging when a color falls outside the gamut of our print space, we say that color has been “clipped.” If we did nothing about a clipped color, it would simply get left out of the final image. If we left these lost colors unattended, our final image would most likely come out looking flat (not vivid) due to the missing hues. Rendering intents give us methods of representing the colors that would otherwise be clipped when sent to the print space.

    And of course, this debate between ARGB vs. ProPhoto can go on and on. I don't wish to go too deep down.
    Last edited by photobum; 3rd May 2007 at 08:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by photobum View Post
    Even you do use an Eizo, how do you intend to output your images? If your output devices do not support ProPhoto profile, it is still pointless.

    I don't call myself a 'color expert' but do you realise that currently top-of-the-line Eizo can only display up to 96% (+/- 2% depending on various calibration methods) of ARGB gamut (your Eizo brochure may claim 100%). ProPhoto even larger than the Adobe Wide Gamut RGB Color Space. One of the downsides to this color space is that approximately 13% of the representable colors are imaginary colors that do not exist and are not visible colors. This means that potential color accuracy is wasted for reserving these unnecessary colors.

    In digital imaging when a color falls outside the gamut of our print space, we say that color has been “clipped.” If we did nothing about a clipped color, it would simply get left out of the final image. If we left these lost colors unattended, our final image would most likely come out looking flat (not vivid) due to the missing hues. Rendering intents give us methods of representing the colors that would otherwise be clipped when sent to the print space.

    And of course, this debate between ARGB vs. ProPhoto can go on and on. I don't wish to go too deep down.
    Thanks for the reply bro.

    But how do you explain that when I change my color profile to SRGB or ARGB, I still facing the same problem of color inconsistency in different applications? Eg: LR color is more saturated but when exported from LR as SRGB or ARGB into CS3, the color become less vivid.
    Canon DPP even more saturated compare to LR when opening the RAW file in ARGB color space.

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    check and see is the Adobe Gamma is running. If so delete it.

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    how to export from LR to photoshop? Direct by choosing photo>Edit in Photoshop (short cut ctrl+E) or by exporting your RAW into jpeg and then edit the jpeg?
    When you do the first, then LR creates a psd or tiff and photoshop reads the xmp file with the adjustments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    how to export from LR to photoshop? Direct by choosing photo>Edit in Photoshop (short cut ctrl+E) or by exporting your RAW into jpeg and then edit the jpeg?
    When you do the first, then LR creates a psd or tiff and photoshop reads the xmp file with the adjustments.
    no bro.. what i did actually export from LR > prophoto psd.. then open using photoshop cs3

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    having tis problem?

    Logging Off. "You have 2,631 messages stored, of a total 400 allowed." don't PM me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renzero View Post
    Thanks for the reply bro.

    But how do you explain that when I change my color profile to SRGB or ARGB, I still facing the same problem of color inconsistency in different applications? Eg: LR color is more saturated but when exported from LR as SRGB or ARGB into CS3, the color become less vivid.
    Canon DPP even more saturated compare to LR when opening the RAW file in ARGB color space.
    Try C1 Pro with Canon DPP. It will render colors much more accurate than LR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by photobum View Post
    Try C1 Pro with Canon DPP. It will render colors much more accurate than LR.
    I tried DPP.. indeed the colour rendered more vivid than ARC.. even more vivid than LR.
    But i like LR way of organising. I guess cant get the best of 2 worlds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    having tis problem?

    Yea... something like that. But i am not using Microsoft pic viewer to compare.. I am comparing CS2 ARC, LR and DPP. pic viewer dun utilized any color profile..

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