View Poll Results: NDx400 - special effect filter

Voters
86. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, i am a NDx400 user

    28 32.56%
  • No, i am not a NDx400 user/what is NDx400?

    20 23.26%
  • Will consider NDx400

    27 31.40%
  • NDx400 - is a waste of $$

    11 12.79%
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 48

Thread: NDx400 *

  1. #1

    Question NDx400 *

    Hi CS members,

    i am a rookie who just enter into world of photography. I found that Hoya has produced a special effect filter: NDx400 which reduces light values by 9 stops. Hence i would like to conduct a poll to find out who are the NDx400 users in cs.

    Cs Members, senior and experts, please share your views about Hoya NDx400. big thks ;P

    NDx400 : http://www.hoyafilter.com/products/hoya/oef-07.html
    Last edited by piglet_oinkoink; 1st May 2007 at 09:11 AM.

  2. #2
    Member Taurean's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    White Elephants Town
    Posts
    1,700

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    Hi

    I'm using the ND400 filter too, got it recently. Still experimenting and exploring the potential of this filter.

    Hope some more experienced user can share more about the ND400 filter.

  3. #3

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    Hi Taurean,

    Agreed with you - hope that more cs members, senior and experts will share their views/advice about Hoya ND400

  4. #4

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    As the category of the filter suggest, this filter is used for special effects. It just enable you to use very low shutter speed even in broad daylight. There isn't really much to comment about it...

    BC

  5. #5

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    Quote Originally Posted by Scaglietti View Post
    As the category of the filter suggest, this filter is used for special effects. It just enable you to use very low shutter speed even in broad daylight. There isn't really much to comment about it...

    BC

    Not very helpful comment right? I can read it is special effect, but the website also provided very little info on the usage and what kind of photos etc.

    Hopefully we have more people who has used the filter to share their experiences.

  6. #6

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    just order a 10 stop ND, it's equal to NDx1000
    to me, it serve 2 purposes :
    1) shoot waterfall/fountain under strong sunlight
    2) apply black card

  7. #7

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    Wanted one of these... Insted I am trying to get that Polarising Fader filter. Acts as an arbitary ND filter.
    5D MII w/16-35L,Sigma 28-70&Nikkors(35f2,85f1.4,105f2.5,180f2.8ED)

  8. #8
    Member Taurean's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    White Elephants Town
    Posts
    1,700

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    Quote Originally Posted by vincent9999 View Post
    2) apply black card
    Can enlighten me on this?

  9. #9

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    Quote Originally Posted by Taurean View Post
    Can enlighten me on this?
    to solve HDR problem,
    u can use GND (film and digital),
    or bracketing then ps (digital only),
    or apply black card (film and digital) :
    tripod is a must,
    use the smallest aperture (eg : f/22) and apply a ND to slower the shutter speed,
    then swing a black card to block the brightest part of the picture to reduce its brightness

    one advantage black card over GND is you can make black card in different shape to overcome different problem (eg use a triangle black card to shoot sunrise in a valley)

    here's some useful link (in Chinese)
    http://forum.dreamreload.com/showthr...threadid=31061

    http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=257&t=199733

  10. #10
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Bukit Panjang
    Posts
    791

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    That is something new. Thanks for sharing vincent.

  11. #11
    Deregistered
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    ClubSNAP community
    Posts
    2,775

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    ND400 is a lot more than just a Gradual ND (GND) or a ND4 or a Circular Polariser. The use of a black card can get similar effects, though not entirely. I do use ND400s, albeit for specialised purposes. And the very few individuals who've tried it will know how far it adds to your picture in Singapore's different conditions (bright sun, sunny, cloudy, overcast, long exp, etc).

    ND400 examples






    That said, the ND400 is not an ordinary ND filter. Someone ever insisted to me that it is the same as a ND4 - it is NOT. It cuts a lot more light than the average ND filters. And its use can be creatively applied to more than just light reduction, if weather conditions are decent enough.

    Those who want to get this, Lords Camera (ask for James or Kelvin) brings it in regularly. Apparently, the filter got very popular after this photo was shared on this forum....

  12. #12

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    Quote Originally Posted by grumpy View Post
    Not very helpful comment right? I can read it is special effect, but the website also provided very little info on the usage and what kind of photos etc.

    Hopefully we have more people who has used the filter to share their experiences.
    Basically, it is as simple as the website mentioned. It cuts 9 stops of light enabling you to use very low shutter speed (400x lower). 1/400s in normal exposure will now become 1s.

    Think.... slow shutter speed... very slow... basically moving objects (ppl, cars, etc) will virtually not appear in your photo if you shutter speed in in terms of secs or minutes.

    Basically, I won't buy one. I will foresee it sitting in my dry-cab after the novelty dies off.

    BC
    Last edited by Scaglietti; 4th May 2007 at 10:08 AM.

  13. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Bukit Panjang
    Posts
    791

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    ND400 lets you play around with low shutterspeed. If individual could see that in mind, it will be innovative tool. Just like a Fisheye to give a different perspective.

    Some of the uses of ND400

    1) Create double exposure effect
    2) Gradual move of light source from bright to dark
    3) Slower shutter speed in bright sunny days
    4)Shooting at the Sun/Sunset
    5) Create 'diffiused' clouds effect

    There might be more. I'll let other CSers to share more bout it. If not you can google and flickr around.

  14. #14
    Deregistered
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    ClubSNAP community
    Posts
    2,775

    Default Re: NDx400 *


  15. #15

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure View Post
    let me guess :
    left side photo taken with CPL applied,
    else the right side shutter speed wouldn't be 1/4 sec (provided light conditiion remain unchanged)
    Last edited by vincent9999; 5th May 2007 at 10:11 AM.

  16. #16

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    Quote Originally Posted by vincent9999 View Post
    let me guess :
    left side photo taken with CPL applied,
    else the right side shutter speed wouldn't be 1/4 sec (provided light conditiion remain unchanged)
    I think the light has changed a bit. You can see the reflection that the sun is emerging from behind the clouds.

    The white balance seemed to have shifted too. The colour of the sky and cloud is different.

    BC
    Last edited by Scaglietti; 5th May 2007 at 10:57 AM.

  17. #17
    Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    The Guilin of Spore
    Posts
    381

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure View Post
    ND400 is a lot more than just a Gradual ND (GND) or a ND4 or a Circular Polariser. The use of a black card can get similar effects, though not entirely. I do use ND400s, albeit for specialised purposes. And the very few individuals who've tried it will know how far it adds to your picture in Singapore's different conditions (bright sun, sunny, cloudy, overcast, long exp, etc).

    ND400 examples






    That said, the ND400 is not an ordinary ND filter. Someone ever insisted to me that it is the same as a ND4 - it is NOT. It cuts a lot more light than the average ND filters. And its use can be creatively applied to more than just light reduction, if weather conditions are decent enough.

    Those who want to get this, Lords Camera (ask for James or Kelvin) brings it in regularly. Apparently, the filter got very popular after this photo was shared on this forum....
    Can i say it really cuts off a lot of light getting into ur photos in a very bright daylight condition?

    And does it cause viggetting? (It seems ur photos have some of it, or just ur touch up?)


  18. #18
    Member Taurean's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    White Elephants Town
    Posts
    1,700

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    The effects from the ND400 looks interesting.

    Maybe somebody can organise an ND400 outing, to share on what effects can the filter produce.

  19. #19
    Deregistered
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    ClubSNAP community
    Posts
    2,775

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    For those who asked - the ND400 pictures posted are out-of-camera.

    For those who want to waste their time picking over the how and the whyfore, the two comparison shots were taken a couple of minutes apart. I have to mount the filter, don't I? And I only had one camera body and one lens with me. And no, why ever will I want to use a CPL with a ND400?!?
    (However, if you wish to spare me a pair of S5 Pros, identical lenses, identical tripods and identical Hoya NDx400 filters to do a proper, perfect test for you, please do so.)

    The ND400 is, for most people, going to be a novelty filter, just like the R72 IR effects are novelty effects. However, it is, at 77mm diameter, a cheaper "toy" compared to the R72 ($95 vs $165). For myself my 2 ND400s are commercially viable.


    Taurean - the kinds of effects is as you can see. Since I am too lazy to spend time postprocessing, I rather shoot out-of-camera.
    Last edited by Azure; 7th May 2007 at 07:19 AM.

  20. #20

    Default Re: NDx400 *

    Quote Originally Posted by Scaglietti View Post
    I think the light has changed a bit. You can see the reflection that the sun is emerging from behind the clouds.

    The white balance seemed to have shifted too. The colour of the sky and cloud is different.

    BC
    haha, I didn't notice that the sun was blocked by cloud in the left pic, but right pic got the sun
    so actually the light condition already changed, hence cause the NDx400 not 400x anymore
    and ya, the wb already shifted and cannot tell the color tone diff is caused by the filter (at least not 100&#37
    Last edited by vincent9999; 7th May 2007 at 01:31 PM.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •