View Poll Results: How Far Can You Accept Digital Manipulation Before You Consider It Cheating??

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  • Adjusting Levels, Curves, Contrast, etc

    123 80.39%
  • Adjusting colour saturation

    110 71.90%
  • Digitally dodging/burning in selected areas

    78 50.98%
  • Adding elements to the picture (e.g. moon)

    40 26.14%
  • Removing elements from the picture (e.g. distrating lampposts, wires)

    67 43.79%
  • Creating out-of-the-world pics that bear no resemblance to real life (e.g. person holding a ball of fire)

    42 27.45%
  • Digitally "slimming down" your subject

    41 26.80%
  • Digitally Replacing/changing backgrounds (putting yourself in front of the Eiffel Tower digitally)

    36 23.53%
  • No digital manipulation is acceptable - it's cheating

    10 6.54%
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Thread: How Far Can You Accept Digital Manipulation

  1. #41

    Default Re: How Far Can You Accept Digital Manipulation

    Yes i agree how acceptable digital editing is depends on the context of the photo,
    but just to sidetrack a little, how about "manupulating a scene" to get a photograph?
    I am not talking abt setting up a still-life studio or shooting a model, but something akin
    to "putting a bug in the refrigerator" for a short time to "slow it down"
    hence making it easier to photograph, will THIS be cheating then?

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    Default Re: How Far Can You Accept Digital Manipulation

    Quote Originally Posted by scenar
    Yes i agree how acceptable digital editing is depends on the context of the photo,
    but just to sidetrack a little, how about "manupulating a scene" to get a photograph?
    I am not talking abt setting up a still-life studio or shooting a model, but something akin
    to "putting a bug in the refrigerator" for a short time to "slow it down"
    hence making it easier to photograph, will THIS be cheating then?
    That is not cheating. That been cruel, shameless, simply no skill and not been human (taken for chinese text).

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    Default Re: How Far Can You Accept Digital Manipulation

    Its a fine thin line between photography and digital imaging. For me if the base of the picture is not altered, then it is ok with me.

    Photography is ever evolving and has come to encompass photoshopping as part of it.

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    Default Re: How Far Can You Accept Digital Manipulation

    Quote Originally Posted by ConnorMcLeod
    It depends the purpose of post-processing the picture.

    We have accepted special effects in movies, so what is the issue with digital manipulation of an image? I'll accept it with the idea that the photographer (or artist) is trying to tell a story. I can only accept enhancement to a picture if it is used in a news report (i.e. telling the truth!)

    Having said that, I wouldn't manipulate my photos except crop & resize. I see getting a photo right without post processing as a challenge, and I enjoy taking on this challenge.

    this is the best opinion. like most people said, it is a question of what purpose for the manipulation instead of simply asking cheating or not.

    Also depend on what kind of ideology the person is standing with.
    If he/she is those super pure photographer who only believe that straight from camera is considered true photography, then probably will see it as cheating.

    If one is looking at cameras, lenses and post-processing equipments as merely tools for the expression of his thought, then anything is acceptable provided one is truthful to his/her work piece.

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    Default Re: How Far Can You Accept Digital Manipulation

    Wow... 9 ppl actually voted for the "Cheating!", to my amazement... serious?


    Well... yah some few people think its cheating. But the poll results roughly show what is accepted among the community, and what is not. Digital Manipulation has become accepted by a "LARGE" Majority, and "MOST" photo competitions today say "Digital Manipulation is allowed..." And its also good to see many photographers today are picking up Photoshop skills.


    The technology today helps us concentrate on more towards Creative stuffs. IMO, its "Creativity" what people appreciate, and not just "Camera-Skills". And I would rather not let my equipment control over my imagination, or creativity.


    Digital Manipulation has become a necessity today! Actually... it takes care of many things... as an example; removing skin blemishes, defects, pimples and etc... It is Arguable that leaving the photo un-manipulated to bring out more character from these skin defects... TRUE.... up to certain extend. But NOT upto "PIMPLES!" Whats holding you from picking up the healing brush/clone tool to just simply remove a LARGE-RED-FULLY-RIPED-PIMPLE on the forehead of a model in a close-up portrait?


    Its sometimes sad to see some people are too reluctant to use Photoshop, and considers as its not very skillful, or even cheating?
    It takes skills and a lot of knowledge to become good at Photoshop. You cant possibly purchase a copy of Photoshop today, and dream of creating high class Digital Manipulation artworks tomorrow. Try it, but not just skin-deep and start shouting "Photoshop Cant Do This, Cant Do That.". Try it deeply and decide yourself whats possible and whats not.


    For the love of God, its not cheating.
    Digital Manipulation is an art.
    Last edited by waiaung; 6th October 2005 at 02:05 AM.
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    Default Re: How Far Can You Accept Digital Manipulation

    Here is my tolerance level for digital manipulation:

    1. News: no-no
    2. Potential partner: no-no
    3. Art or entertainment purpose: okay

    So, is digital manipulation acceptable? it is yes and no.
    Last edited by billpepsi; 6th October 2005 at 12:48 PM.

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    Long time ago....................

    Before photoshop...............

    Before colors.....................

    Image manipulation had already existed.

    One of Ansel Adams best selling photographs was "Moon over Hernandez". I saw the orginal "relatively" unmanipulated image and the later "manipulated image. You would not think that these were twins! Jerry Uelsman was doing photomontage for years, when the concept of the word "photoshop" was still light years away.

    If someone think that photographs represent "truth", think again. There is no truth in photography - either documentary/newspaper or "art". Everything is manipulated from the taking stage to the printing.

    It is just that it is a lot easier to manipulate images on photoshop than in the darkroom. As what waiaung mentioned - in the name of art - anything goes. What waiaung was referring to is "digital art". You don't even need a camera or photography skills to make digital art!

    In "relatively" unmanipulated "art" the essential elements are there. When the moon did not exist, it will not be put in. When the clothes are on the model, it will be there and not removed to be replaced with "natural attire". The head of the model will not be transplanted to that of a naked voluptous pornstar, etc. Generally speaking a "relatively" unmanipulated image should represent how the photographer visualised the image. At the time I engaged a model for a photoshoot, I could see that she has flawless skin. But she came with a huge pimple. This was not what I visualised. So I have no problem to remove that pimple because I did not significantly alter what was "her", or at least what I thought of her. When I photographed a scenic village, I have no problem to remove the electrical wires that marred the otherwise pristine image.

    However, I will not add elements that were not in the original image. If I do so, I will clearly make it known that that is licensed art using a digital medium. I will not take a picture of a uninhabited place and put a nice barnhouse, just to add interest. That may still be my "vision", but too much imaginary for my taste.

    At the end, and art be the final point, everything goes. But I personally appreciate a little "honesty" if elements are altered too much, particularly when elements are added.

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