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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    Might be opportunist move by the pilots.
    So SIA can apply the market forces.
    No increase in pay.
    Those not happy can leave SIA immediately to fly A380 for other airlines.
    The rest of the pilots who remain can be trained to fly the A380.

    New pilots who are employed have a clause in contract to say they will fly A380 if required at no extra pay.

    Once this batch is ready to fly the A380, immediately terminate services of all the pilots who insist to be paid more in this current arbitration.


    Or... if the pilots want to base pay strictly on passenger head count in the plane.
    Then SIA agrees.

    But since the pilots have chosen to live by the sword, they must also die by the sword.
    The sword they have insisted on, has two sharp edges.
    It cuts both ways.

    SIA will go back 10 years on its records and if any pilot flew a plane that is not full with passengers, his pay will be DEDUCTED accordingly in proportion.

    This amount will be recovered form their future pay packets.

    Same rule will apply to all their future flights.

    If a pilot consistently flies planes that are less than x% full over the period of 1 year, his bonus will be forfeited.
    If SIA goes thru the last 10 years flight load and base pilots' pay as you suggest, them pilots will be earning up to 4 times what they're asking for .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunbucker View Post
    Possible. But more probable that it is an "inspired" move from certain recent pay rises


    handling $300M worth ... $20K is "peanuts".

    handling 300+ lives daily ... mabbe $600K PA (excluding bonuses) is also "peanuts"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    No wonder some of those FHM gals look like army generals. You think they moonlight a little bit while in peace time?


    You In Australia, can say more. I cannot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunbucker View Post
    Possible. But more probable that it is an "inspired" move from certain recent pay rises


    Quote Originally Posted by CYRN View Post


    handling $300M worth ... $20K is "peanuts".

    handling 300+ lives daily ... mabbe $600K PA (excluding bonuses) is also "peanuts"

    Please don't be "inspired". This pay rise game is only meant for certain groups only.
    Panalty for the loser is "Exile"

    All our pays have to be competitive. However:
    For one group the pay has to be competitively low.
    For the other group the pay has to be competitively high.

    Our CPF employee's contribution is cut from 20% to 13%.
    Last edited by Silence Sky; 29th April 2007 at 02:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    Might be opportunist move by the pilots.
    So SIA can apply the market forces.
    No increase in pay.
    Those not happy can leave SIA immediately to fly A380 for other airlines.
    The rest of the pilots who remain can be trained to fly the A380.

    According to the theory of an old man and his son:

    Now, when the whole team of pilots quit tomorrow. I allow you to draw candidates from the opposition camp, can you guarantee you will get enough talented pilots to filled their places?

    SIA is not an ordinary company. We are not like Australia and USA, We do not have critical mass to support our own airline, and we depend a lot on overseas and foreign passengers. If one day these foreign passengers loss confident in our pilots, SIA will has to close shop. Your girls will have to become maids.

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    Default Re: SIA's latest offer in A380-pilot wage dispute rejected.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    According to the theory of an old man and his son:

    Now, when the whole team of pilots quit tomorrow. I allow you to draw candidates from the opposition camp, can you guarantee you will get enough talented pilots to filled their places?

    SIA is not an ordinary company. We are not like Australia and USA, We do not have critical mass to support our own airline, and we depend a lot on overseas and foreign passengers. If one day these foreign passengers loss confident in our pilots, SIA will has to close shop. Your girls will have to become maids.
    familiar story leh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    If one day these foreign passengers loss confident in our pilots, SIA will has to close shop.

    Dun forget we have to depend on 900+ pilots.

    Where on earth to find such credible, highly professional, pilots if all of them had to replaced?
    From SAF ah?


    This time round, i don't think the representative of Alpha-S is a P.R.
    They have learnt their previous lesson, from their previous colleague, Ryan Goh.

    For more details on Ryan Goh.
    http://www.littlespeck.com/content/p...ics-040314.htm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    Do you all remember what happened during last round of negotaition?
    Someone went into exile.
    And the executor gave himself a big pay rise.


    Bcoz that exile have hidden motives according to our greatest detective.
    You wouldn't want our airlines controlled by a single manipulator.

    As for the executor giving himself a big pay rise.
    That is necessary.

    Afterall, can you guarantee a whopping 4 Trillion economic returns for next 5 or 20yrs?
    Only the executor can promised that.

    Not everyone can pluck the figure from the air and say it with confidence!
    Boy, you need some serious mentoring!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceased View Post
    Bcoz that exile have hidden motives according to our greatest detective.
    You wouldn't want our airlines controlled by a single manipulator.

    As for the executor giving himself a big pay rise.
    That is necessary.

    Afterall, can you guarantee a whopping 4 Trillion economic returns for next 5 or 20yrs?
    Only the executor can promised that.

    Not everyone can pluck the figure from the air and say it with confidence!
    Boy, you need some serious mentoring!

    Since when we have no manipulator?

    Number of law, medical, account and engineering students are predetermined each year.
    Stop at two campaign.
    Graduate to marry the same level.
    Graduate to produce more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yatlapball View Post
    Well actually you can view this from another angle. It is in the pilot's self-interest to keep himself alive (i.e. the plane keeps flying) is it not? Same goes for a driver of a bus. Or any other job that has other people's lives hinged on yours.

    We actually have more automated systems flying your aeroplane now then you think. So what are you talking about? Gone are the days of "flying the stick". Although yes, I will admit that ultimately in a disaster, it will come back round to the human factor to regain control. But, see point mentioned above. Whether the plane is empty or full of passengers, it is in the pilot's self-interest to keep himself alive.
    but all calaculate and planning of routes are still done manually and counter check with the flight plan

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    hurray!


    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    All our pays have to be competitive. However:
    For one group the pay has to be competitively low.
    For the other group the pay has to be competitively high.

    Our CPF employee's contribution is cut from 20% to 13%.

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