I really wants to own a DSLR ???

NE clicks clicks · 19th April 2007

I have been reading thru quite a lot of this thread lately in CS.
Being into photography for almost 20 years now as a hobbyist, and a CS member for a about couple of years, its seems that this thread are getting more each day.

However the interesting thing is, nowadays its seems many wants to own DSLR when they simply haven't grab the basics of photography. Very unlike the past, where only those who are very keen in photography and has experimented with PnS, bridge camera, etc and are very sure photography and SLR/DSLR are for them before plunging into it.
Perhaps, this days everybody are more affluent and DSLR are more affordable , perhaps its a feel good factor to be seen with a DSLR in the hand, or simply the digital age has really make photography one of the most attractive and mass appealing hobby.

I know this thread would not go down well with some, but that is my observation and own opinion. But Just like to hear from other members what do they think of this. be it you agree or disagree , feel free to air your views.But please, NO PERSONAL ATTACK

kongping · 19th April 2007

It's a hobby, ain't it?

If owning a DSLR makes one happy, then by all means go grab that DSLR!

catchlights · 19th April 2007

have a DSLR is cool...
my camera bigger than yours....
forget about all the rules .....

many things may change, but some are the things will not.

Andy Ang · 19th April 2007

I think otherwise lah. Even a newbie also wanted a good quality image, not saying on any other aspect of photography. And now dSLR pricing has plunged so much. Why not pay a little more to get better quality image?

Isaiahfortythirtyone · 19th April 2007

well i think the circumstances today are very different. SLRs in the past cost a bomb. and so it put people off buying them. but today, a nikon d40 kit goes for $800+ brand new. prices have become more affordable.

i don't think we should deride others just because they havent grasped the bascis of photography. the most we should do is to advise them against in in a nice way. we dont have to talk down to them from a moral highpoint. if they choose not to listen to us and decide to byu a DSLR, then we should accept that and give them proper advice on the types of lenses/eqpt to get instead of telling them "youre gg to regret it" etc.

Andy Ang · 19th April 2007

Originally Posted by Isaiahfortythirtyone

well i think the circumstances today are very different. SLRs in the past cost a bomb. and so it put people off buying them. but today, a nikon d40 kit goes for $800+ brand new. prices have become more affordable.

i don't think we should deride others just because they havent grasped the bascis of photography. the most we should do is to advise them against in in a nice way. we dont have to talk down to them from a moral highpoint. if they choose not to listen to us and decide to byu a DSLR, then we should accept that and give them proper advice on the types of lenses/eqpt to get instead of telling them "youre gg to regret it" etc.

I agree on the point you are coming from, Totally.

But I don't agree with the statement "youre gg to regret it"

HOW CAN REGRET! Siao. You can't be more happy liao!

cantaresg · 19th April 2007

In the past, when cameras are operated with films, it is very costly to just pick up an SLR and try to experiment with the various apertures and shuttle speeds. Nowadays, once you paid for the camera and the computer, there is virtually no post processing fees that you need to pay. This benefit can enable people to experiment more freely and more willing to pick up a DSLR and experiment with its effects.

Further, with a DSLR, you get an instant feedback. The LCD screen tells you whether your picture is overexposed/ underexposed, composition and other factors. Due to this instant feedback, you do not have to wait for days for the films to be developed to see what you have done well or done badly.

vince123123 · 19th April 2007

Erm, actually film SLRS are MUCH MUCH Cheaper than DSLRs. Most advanced amatetur SLRs (think D200 or 30D level) cost about 7-800 only.

Originally Posted by Isaiahfortythirtyone

well i think the circumstances today are very different. SLRs in the past cost a bomb. and so it put people off buying them. but today, a nikon d40 kit goes for $800+ brand new. prices have become more affordable.

i don't think we should deride others just because they havent grasped the bascis of photography. the most we should do is to advise them against in in a nice way. we dont have to talk down to them from a moral highpoint. if they choose not to listen to us and decide to byu a DSLR, then we should accept that and give them proper advice on the types of lenses/eqpt to get instead of telling them "youre gg to regret it" etc.

night86mare · 19th April 2007

Since when you need to be good at photography to own a DSLR?

There are people who can't drive but own Ferraris.

There are people who don't enjoy living in a big house but they own big house.

Shrug.

leyo04 · 19th April 2007

I don't know photography that much still. I bought my dSLR to learn and some say the best way to learn is to get out and shoot (not other people by gun). Also, the fact that I can use the computer to PP the shots w/c IMO is a lot easier and learning curve is faster. This is the reason why I gave it try.. and now, I like it.

The one thing cool about dSLR's for me is the genuine mirror flap.

Zaknafein · 19th April 2007

Originally Posted by vince123123

Erm, actually film SLRS are MUCH MUCH Cheaper than DSLRs. Most advanced amatetur SLRs (think D200 or 30D level) cost about 7-800 only.

i believe film puts ppl off.
having to fork out a few dollars to buy a roll of film, and another few bucks to develop (and view) them is quite costly for new players who are still experimenting.

ortega · 19th April 2007

actually it is the not knowing what is going on after the shutter goes click
that put ppl off film SLRs

and the dissappointment when they get the prints back from the shop.

raptor84 · 19th April 2007

Originally Posted by Zaknafein

i believe film puts ppl off.
having to fork out a few dollars to buy a roll of film, and another few bucks to develop (and view) them is quite costly for new players who are still experimenting.

Actaully thats the path i took after i went form a digital compact

Yes it was pretty costly to pay for the scanning but it taught me to slow down and really think before firing off the shutter.

Zaknafein · 19th April 2007

Originally Posted by ortega

actually it is the not knowing what is going on after the shutter goes click
that put ppl off film SLRs

and the dissappointment when they get the prints back from the shop.

hmmm i have to agree with u.
and by the time they develop and print the photos, its hard to know what went wrong...

lightning · 19th April 2007

Originally Posted by Andy Ang

I think otherwise lah. Even a newbie also wanted a good quality image, not saying on any other aspect of photography. And now dSLR pricing has plunged so much. Why not pay a little more to get better quality image?

Does DSLR produce quality image? And PnS produce lousy image?

I have many friends who got a DSLR and give up, cos "How come the DSLR image is worst then the PnS?"

Zaknafein · 19th April 2007

Originally Posted by lightning

Does DSLR produce quality image? And PnS produce lousy image? I have many friends who got a DSLR and give up, cos "How come the DSLR image is worst then the PnS?"

i think he meant image quality, not the quality of the "photo"....

Rashkae · 19th April 2007

I think there's 2 factors:

1. Kiasu-ism
When you're taking pictures with your nice little pocket-sized PnS and the guy next to you sets up a DSLR, the usual reaction is "Waaah, so pro!" or the usual "p3n!s envy". The guy who LOOKS pro will get a lot of attention from girls, which makes the pns owners think that owning a DSLR is "cool" and will make them look "more pro".

2. Ignorance
Most people think that owning a DSLR will immediately let you take professional-looking images. They think the skill lies in the tool, not the wielder.

Steplim · 19th April 2007

It is true that price of a DSLR is more affordable now and people are more affluent than 10 years ago. I remember taking pics with 500N 10 years ago and was hoping but not convinced myself to buy a digital Cam and PNS for close to 1K and is only 2 MPix.

There is another trend where the advancement of digital age put those people who can afford to pay buy a higher model than what they want/need. One of my friend ask me for opinion a year ago regarding 350D/400D. I introduced him to my usual regular camera shop and he bought a 400D + a L-lens (17-40f4L) and upgraded to 30D overnight by paying the different. The reason given by him was that he would like to own a DSLR which do not need to upgrade in the long future and according to him $600 + different is nothing!

I hope that I have this flexibility though.

This is the current trend in high-tech digital age and the DSLR life cycle (at least for Canon) is only 18 months that make future investment on next upgrade really tricky. just my opinion.

ndroo · 19th April 2007

Originally Posted by leyo04

The one thing cool about dSLR's for me is the genuine mirror flap.

Ah, you mean no mirror flap means he cam no good ah?

deckard · 19th April 2007

I pity those DSLRs that were bought by the owners because they were persuaded by those pesky sales promoters in those road shows. Sometimes I see some people buying DSLRs just to keep up with their rich image.

I often overhear their conversations:" get a DSLR....frames per second. megapixel.....blah ......" but never tell them that they have to buy a lot of lenses just to continue with the hobby. So a lot of people buy and then later regret and keep in their cupboards and it got wasted.

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NE clicks clicks Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 492	I really wants to own a DSLR ??? I have been reading thru quite a lot of this thread lately in CS. Being into photography for almost 20 years now as a hobbyist, and a CS member for a about couple of years, its seems that this thread are getting more each day. However the interesting thing is, nowadays its seems many wants to own DSLR when they simply haven't grab the basics of photography. Very unlike the past, where only those who are very keen in photography and has experimented with PnS, bridge camera, etc and are very sure photography and SLR/DSLR are for them before plunging into it. Perhaps, this days everybody are more affluent and DSLR are more affordable , perhaps its a feel good factor to be seen with a DSLR in the hand, or simply the digital age has really make photography one of the most attractive and mass appealing hobby. I know this thread would not go down well with some, but that is my observation and own opinion. But Just like to hear from other members what do they think of this. be it you agree or disagree , feel free to air your views.But please, NO PERSONAL ATTACK Last edited by NE clicks clicks; 19th April 2007 at 12:31 PM.

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kongping Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 594	Re: I really wants to own a DSLR ??? It's a hobby, ain't it? If owning a DSLR makes one happy, then by all means go grab that DSLR!

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catchlights Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Punggol Posts: 10,794	Re: I really wants to own a DSLR ??? have a DSLR is cool... my camera bigger than yours.... forget about all the rules ..... many things may change, but some are the things will not. __________________ Shoot to Live, Live to Shoot www.foto-u.com \| www.benjaminloo.com \| email

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Andy Ang Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dreamy Nikon Land Posts: 2,782	Re: I really wants to own a DSLR ??? I think otherwise lah. Even a newbie also wanted a good quality image, not saying on any other aspect of photography. And now dSLR pricing has plunged so much. Why not pay a little more to get better quality image? __________________ Andy Ang :lovegrin: - "A Photo speaks a thousand words. Have you spoken today?" APAD \| Blog

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Isaiahfortythirtyone Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Clementi Posts: 2,470	Re: I really wants to own a DSLR ??? well i think the circumstances today are very different. SLRs in the past cost a bomb. and so it put people off buying them. but today, a nikon d40 kit goes for $800+ brand new. prices have become more affordable. i don't think we should deride others just because they havent grasped the bascis of photography. the most we should do is to advise them against in in a nice way. we dont have to talk down to them from a moral highpoint. if they choose not to listen to us and decide to byu a DSLR, then we should accept that and give them proper advice on the types of lenses/eqpt to get instead of telling them "youre gg to regret it" etc.

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cantaresg Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Woodlands Posts: 767	Re: I really wants to own a DSLR ??? In the past, when cameras are operated with films, it is very costly to just pick up an SLR and try to experiment with the various apertures and shuttle speeds. Nowadays, once you paid for the camera and the computer, there is virtually no post processing fees that you need to pay. This benefit can enable people to experiment more freely and more willing to pick up a DSLR and experiment with its effects. Further, with a DSLR, you get an instant feedback. The LCD screen tells you whether your picture is overexposed/ underexposed, composition and other factors. Due to this instant feedback, you do not have to wait for days for the films to be developed to see what you have done well or done badly.

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night86mare Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: in your mind Posts: 19,374	Re: I really wants to own a DSLR ??? Since when you need to be good at photography to own a DSLR? There are people who can't drive but own Ferraris. There are people who don't enjoy living in a big house but they own big house. Shrug. __________________ Gallery \| Dreamscapes 09 Pentaxian 伪君子之所以更可憎

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leyo04 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 241	Re: I really wants to own a DSLR ??? I don't know photography that much still. I bought my dSLR to learn and some say the best way to learn is to get out and shoot (not other people by gun). Also, the fact that I can use the computer to PP the shots w/c IMO is a lot easier and learning curve is faster. This is the reason why I gave it try.. and now, I like it. The one thing cool about dSLR's for me is the genuine mirror flap.

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ortega Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NorthEast Posts: 16,507	Re: I really wants to own a DSLR ??? actually it is the not knowing what is going on after the shutter goes click that put ppl off film SLRs and the dissappointment when they get the prints back from the shop. __________________ The Law

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Rashkae Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,313	Re: I really wants to own a DSLR ??? I think there's 2 factors: 1. Kiasu-ism When you're taking pictures with your nice little pocket-sized PnS and the guy next to you sets up a DSLR, the usual reaction is "Waaah, so pro!" or the usual "p3n!s envy". The guy who LOOKS pro will get a lot of attention from girls, which makes the pns owners think that owning a DSLR is "cool" and will make them look "more pro". 2. Ignorance Most people think that owning a DSLR will immediately let you take professional-looking images. They think the skill lies in the tool, not the wielder.

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Steplim Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: One North Posts: 293	Re: I really wants to own a DSLR ??? It is true that price of a DSLR is more affordable now and people are more affluent than 10 years ago. I remember taking pics with 500N 10 years ago and was hoping but not convinced myself to buy a digital Cam and PNS for close to 1K and is only 2 MPix. There is another trend where the advancement of digital age put those people who can afford to pay buy a higher model than what they want/need. One of my friend ask me for opinion a year ago regarding 350D/400D. I introduced him to my usual regular camera shop and he bought a 400D + a L-lens (17-40f4L) and upgraded to 30D overnight by paying the different. The reason given by him was that he would like to own a DSLR which do not need to upgrade in the long future and according to him $600 + different is nothing! I hope that I have this flexibility though. This is the current trend in high-tech digital age and the DSLR life cycle (at least for Canon) is only 18 months that make future investment on next upgrade really tricky. just my opinion. __________________ Stephen L http://steplim.smugmug.com

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deckard Account Suspended Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,244	Re: I really wants to own a DSLR ??? I pity those DSLRs that were bought by the owners because they were persuaded by those pesky sales promoters in those road shows. Sometimes I see some people buying DSLRs just to keep up with their rich image. I often overhear their conversations:" get a DSLR....frames per second. megapixel.....blah ......" but never tell them that they have to buy a lot of lenses just to continue with the hobby. So a lot of people buy and then later regret and keep in their cupboards and it got wasted.