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    Hi guys, took this today, is the only one I kept after strolling around the Fort Canning --> Clarke Quay --> City Hall area.



    The subject is obviously, the big grave, and the wreath at the bottom (took a normal shot and a HDR IR shot, before erasing everything except the wreath in colour in Layers, etc, I'm sure most here would know what I'm talking about).

    I think I should have gone closer (but I didn't at that time, because there appeared to be flare or some hotspot thing when I tried framing it tighter) so this is a crop of the original picture which has way too much foreground imho.

    That aside, what I'm trying to achieve is the idea that despite the fact that yes, this is actually a grave (or at least its marker), everything else is faded. Everything else is gone. But there are still people who remember when one passes on.

    I'll be honest, I did quite a lot of photo-editing for the background because it was far too distracting for comfort, despite the use of f/4.0 (I can't use a too small aperture for my H2, else IR will have hotspot), it was still too prominent due to the short distance between the grave and the trees behind it. If you go to the chuch courtyard you'd get what I mean. And after that I did some dodging and burning on the statue, too many shadows on it for my liking.

    Thanks in advance! =)
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    i like the photoshopped effect! very nice.

    would it be possible to frame it in such a way that the other tomb would not be shown?
    i mean, i've not been there.. so i'm just wondering if that was possible.

    coz i think the pic would be even better without the other tomb in the background..
    its trying to fight for attention

    and yes, it would hav been better if you'd gone closer. nonetheless, very nice

    juz my 2 cents

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    Thanks littlepea, for the obvious effort taken to critique the shot.

    So, it doesn't end up getting too "fake"? =D

    Well, if I had gone closer, then the other tomb would not be shown. But if I move the frame to the left, then another not-so-nice tomb would be shown (headless statue).. =D But yes, I agree that the other tomb is a little distracting..

    Thank you for your kind comments too! =)

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    hey wk.. haha.. u love HDR and IR shots.. hmmz.. i dunno much abt that field, but the results are surprisingly interesting. was wondering if u cropped in a little and make the marker and wreath bigger would be any difference?
    mayb can also explain why u include the marker in the bg? would a desolute field have more impact?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nysheng View Post
    hey wk.. haha.. u love HDR and IR shots.. hmmz.. i dunno much abt that field, but the results are surprisingly interesting. was wondering if u cropped in a little and make the marker and wreath bigger would be any difference?
    mayb can also explain why u include the marker in the bg? would a desolute field have more impact?
    Mmm, tighter crop would definitely work, but this is already a crop from the original, so I guess I'll have to go back again. =D Hopefully the wreath is still there next time!

    Ah, I know the answer to that question. It is to.. Provide a basis for comparison. The other graves have no wreath! =D

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    Mmm, tighter crop would definitely work, but this is already a crop from the original, so I guess I'll have to go back again. =D Hopefully the wreath is still there next time!

    Ah, I know the answer to that question. It is to.. Provide a basis for comparison. The other graves have no wreath! =D
    haha..alright. i suspected as much. den was thinking that..if it's possible, add in other markers around it such that this would be the only one wif a wreath, and if u could somehow include someone walking away in a distance.. haha

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    I think the basic concept works, however my two nitpicks are:

    > crop: not tight enough. i took the liberty to cut it closer (yes, we know it already cropped...) and i think it looks a lot better.


    > angle/cross and background: too similar, too busy. The angle and cross is next to the wrath the main focus point but squint your eyes a bit and they disappear in the background....
    i guess going in closer during the shot would have increased the ratio between camera-background and camera-object distance hence helping to blur the background.
    Further, i notice that the statue has a blue tint while the background has more of a redish(?) tint. i think the colour difference could be increased to let the statue stand out more. i played around with contrast a bit and found that it could be used to inrease the difference between background and statue as well...

    what you think?
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    hey michael, nice work on the PP. but doesn't the crop take away a little emphasis from the marker wif the wreath? cause now it seems like the marker in the bg shares the same emphasise as the one in front.
    the tweaking of the contrast does improve the details on the front marker, though i feel that it does take away a little of the grim mood which was set when the marker was a little more 'weathered'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    I think the basic concept works, however my two nitpicks are:

    > crop: not tight enough. i took the liberty to cut it closer (yes, we know it already cropped...) and i think it looks a lot better.


    > angle/cross and background: too similar, too busy. The angle and cross is next to the wrath the main focus point but squint your eyes a bit and they disappear in the background....
    i guess going in closer during the shot would have increased the ratio between camera-background and camera-object distance hence helping to blur the background.
    Further, i notice that the statue has a blue tint while the background has more of a redish(?) tint. i think the colour difference could be increased to let the statue stand out more. i played around with contrast a bit and found that it could be used to inrease the difference between background and statue as well...

    what you think?
    Yes, I agree about the crop. Maybe I should have cropped it for the web version. Because when I keep it on my computer there is no way I would want to crop it any further, was cropped quite badly already. But I've said that already.

    I get your idea about the contrast, was wondering if it'd be too overly dramatic, because the mood I wish to convey is a solemn one. =/ The statue's blue tint is due to it being in IR.. And the wreath is of course, a colour picture.. =D

    So this was actually an IR/HDR image blended with colour! Hehehe. Thanks for your time. Much appreciated, Michael.

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    more sky!!!
    sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clown View Post
    more sky!!!
    Ah, that would be impossible.

    Way too many buildings and trees behind this scene. Maybe if I brought an axe.. =D

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    Aside from the crop thingy this is quite a good image. And I guess you actually conveyed what you wanted to say in this picture (at least to me). Excellent PP I must say. Very dramatic.

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    hey..i think this is the best photoshop work i've seen from u so far!

    i liked how u blurred the background to focus on the front. and the additional effort of masking the color wreath out.

    but yah i feel..u should have gone much closer to get an even greater impact.
    and yah..got skies lagi better..

    but overall...still the best IR image i've seen frm u so far. Keep it up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by draeger View Post
    Aside from the crop thingy this is quite a good image. And I guess you actually conveyed what you wanted to say in this picture (at least to me). Excellent PP I must say. Very dramatic.
    Thank you draeger! Glad that it worked for you.. =D

    Quote Originally Posted by vortex View Post
    hey..i think this is the best photoshop work i've seen from u so far!

    i liked how u blurred the background to focus on the front. and the additional effort of masking the color wreath out.

    but yah i feel..u should have gone much closer to get an even greater impact.
    and yah..got skies lagi better..

    but overall...still the best IR image i've seen frm u so far. Keep it up!
    Hahaha, I think you got soft spot for angel statues on graves..
    But thanks for the kind comments, will try harder next time! =)

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