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14th March 2003
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Digital or Film Views
I thought this shld be already out somewhere... but couldnt find it thru the search engine...
anyway my views on this as an amateur .... Digital or Film for consumer cameras the digital wins hands up.... 1) it is must easier to use than a film based camera... 2) it allows u to see wat u have take and delete the "spoiled" photos (hence u can improve on ur photography skills easier)... 3) it actually does take better photos than the flim camera... 4) it allows the editing and cropping of photos to suit ur needs... 5) Point and shoot... no need skill... 6) bla bla bla Digital or Film for Pro cameras Very close fight but Film wins for this... 1) More accessories for the film (lenses, flashes, etc etc) 2) Film less likely to run out of batteries... haha... Digital cameras seems to run out faster... (pls do not tell me that u turn off the lcd for digital camera.... coz that is wat makes the digicam...) 3) U shoot better photos with SLR cameras than DSLR most of the time... 4) Manual always win computerised!!! (human brains r better than computer... i noe this from the chess challenge) Some Buts... 1) Film consumer cameras r much much cheaper than digicam 2) DSLR seems to be cheaper than SLR cameras (together with all the accessories) 3) DSLRis lighter than SLR 4) More older ppl that do not noe how to use digital cameras... so thats why the popularity of film based (:P) 5) Bla Bla Bla Why did i come up with all this views?? coz i actually thinking .... and finally tot of buying a SLR for taking professional photos.... and also at the same time have a digicam (not DSLR) to take normal photos on the run.... |
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no offence but just some general views above~  somehow i get the feeling that yr definition of DSLR is actually 'prosumer'... and what is the purpose of the post?  to ask for opinions on which to buy? film or digital? or??? |
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15th March 2003
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juzt my TCW ..... plz do not get offended .....   |
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15th March 2003
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why i make the post is to decide whether to buy a SLR or not.... (i tot i said this?? maybe the post is too long)
all the views on this is actually independent on the skills of the photographer of course.... |
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15th March 2003
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Re: Digital or Film Views
Manual always win computerised??? What has that to do with DSLR. U mean u just put the DSLR in front of your subject and it will compose/meter/shoot for you??  Just kidding. Pls elaborate.Last edited by Falcon; 15th March 2003 at 11:42 AM. |
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15th March 2003
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In summary, most of your theory are wrong...
1. You don't need pro skill to take good pictures, but basic photography knowledge is needed even with Point & Shoot compact camera. Maybe you don't know, but most of the CS members would know that pictures taken using a compact camera are usually sharp at the center... 2. Why don't you try holding my E20 w/vertical grip (1.1 kg) & EOS 30 w/vertical grip and see which is more heavy...?? 3. In digital, the darkroom man is the Photographer if he is doing the PS thingy, while in film, the fellow handling your film processing and print is in-charge. In film, you are this in-charge fellow, you can crop and manupulate the pictures too in the darkroom... 4. It is the man behind the camera to count in good picture... one may has the top of the line DSLR, but he is uses Program Mode to shoot, while another using a SLR, using Aperture Value. Who is the winner...?? I heard of someone complaint that his lens is not sharp, but at the end of the day, if his skill isn't there, why blame the lens. I have seen people using cheap compact camera, but the pictures came out unexpectedly sharp and nice. 5. Try star trekking on a digital SLR and film SLR... and see for yourself which is better...?? Just my worthless 2 cents opinion... You can always ignore the above. |
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15th March 2003
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Think if u have a big budget, go 4 a DSLR. If not, say u have a budget of around 2k, go ahead with a prosumer digicam or u can get an SLR with xtra stuff like lenses, tripod.... But if u want a shoot, view & throw kinda thing, & not bother about the technical expects of handling a camera, I think a prosumer or consumer digicam will suit fine. To go more in-depth, a SLR or DSLR will be ideal. But a DSLR will cost u alot more. INHO, I think a consumer or prosumer digicam is wat u r looking 4 from my analysis of ur post. cheers |
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15th March 2003
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Hi
oh goodie, another film vs digital debate  if u compare image quality alone, then film (esp colour) is essentially dead and living on borrowed time - especially with the release of the Canon 1Ds. i haven't changed my stand where quality is concerned. Franklly, i'm quite shocked that Fuji and Kodak are still releasing new 35mm slide films! wat has changed, however, is my stand on reasons to own film cameras  Despite wat they say about "the image is THE most important thing", it's becoming apparent to me that it's not, and that there are still plenty of reasons to own film bodies and living with the advantages (a few) and inconveniences of film (a lot compared to digital).using film also has the inherent advantage of NOT making you feel like u're a digital imaging artist instead of a photographer Producing an image on slide film is direct - producing a good image with digital involves you playing the role of a digital imaging artist. |
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15th March 2003
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Re: Digital or Film Views
1. Most DSLR is based on the SLR. Just that instead of capturing the image on film, it uses CCD or CMOS. And both have Manual and other Automatic modes. Both cameras are computerised.
2. Using DSLR usually mean that you have to get the better lenses because the quality of the lenses are shown more evidently on the DSLR than SLR. 3. On the DSLR, you CANNOT use the LCD to compose your shots(unless you're tokng about the E10/20). The LCD is purely for reviewing purposes. Anyway, i think most people use the optical viewfinder to compose even if they could use their LCD. I believe it's more stable that way. But i might be wrong... What i did is, i got myself a prosumer digicam first. Then got a SLR to slowly build up my collection of lenses. This is to prepare for the DSLR which i am saving up to buy soon. Juz for your information.
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15th March 2003
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huh....another war....
Another materialistic kiddie kiddie war.......
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15th March 2003
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my own opinion for digital or film actually cost so much hatred for me..?? i am quite an amateur and so my opinions might be wrong... a lot of my pro photographer frdz told me that they take better photos with SLR cams than DSLR....
and for myself i have a digicam myself and deciding to buy a DSLR or SLR ... so that i can join my frdz in photography... from the looks of it, clubsnap seem to have more supporters of the DSLR... yah i would agree some prosumer DSLR lookalike are very good... (nikon 5700, fuji s602 etc etc right?) |
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But its ok, we r all learning. including myself. I'm a SLR user. An old SLR in fact. Quite tempted to get a CP5700 too actually... Coz DSLR like D100 too ex 4 me. |
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I don't want to start any flame or 'holy war' here, but how do you get the idea of 'film (esp colour) is essentially dead'? Based on what? on the film vs 1Ds comparison on luminous landscape? |
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since u r planning to buy a SLR or DSLR ..... me think the thing to conzider (bezidez all the thingz that u said above) iz ur budget ..... another impt thing iz to azk ur frenz to lend their SLR/DSLR to u to try them handz-on ..... n see which wan suitz u ..... u can alzo azk the pple around here for their advice ..... can try going sown to SEED alzo ..... happy buying ..... |
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16th March 2003
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The 1Ds today has gone beyond "good enough". From that article on Luminous Landscape, it seems to even give drum scans a run for its money. With prices of DSLRs dropping every year, and with the rate of advancement of technology, it's a matter of time before a camera like the 1Ds drops to affordable prices. with more pple flocking to digital, it will soon become less economically viable to stay in the film market for major manufacturers. Hence film will become a niche product for a select group of pple, hence my definition of "dead" and "living on borrowed time" |
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16th March 2003
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digital is here to replace film, this is for sure, no matter we like it or not. There's just too much advantages of digital over film, and the capability margin is getting narrower. Its a matter how long film can stay in the new century.
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16th March 2003
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Re: Digital or Film Views
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Advantage: 1. Dynamic ISO 2. Live histogram (not sure if it's a big advange but..) |
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16th March 2003
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- Instant preview - Faster turn around time than film |
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