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    Quote Originally Posted by eow View Post
    u made an offer i can't refuse
    ok i'm on
    pay for me too ya.and i only stay in 5* please.no tents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeanie View Post
    sometimes, frank and outspoken comments are pretty much being frowned on.
    dp's comments is a good example.

    is this the reason why it keeps you guys from shooting the truth about 'pics not up to standards'?
    Actually, you can be frank and outspoken without being rude.

    That said, DP has tried to improve and has improved from his early approaches to critiquing the work of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetrode View Post
    Actually, you can be frank and outspoken without being rude.

    That said, DP has tried to improve and has improved from his early approaches to critiquing the work of others.
    yes.i did TOLD dp off about the way he criticise people.
    i guess coming from a gal, impact is more bah.

    i agree with you, he has toned down quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeanie View Post
    dont be angry.discussion sake only.

    and my previous post was only a gentle gentle reminder.ok?
    i apologise if i sound offensive.

    but i shoot my mind.really.

    people come, cant take comments, they go, so be it.really.
    they are old enough to think for themselves.we shouldnt dig it up or use this thread to flog the dead horse.
    jeanie....if u had realised by now and as i had always mentioned when it came to comment and critques especially P&P in particular is a very opionated place... and the funny things are most of the pics in p&P can't even make it in the top 30% percent of the pics posted on web gallery such as flickr..that also included yr dear god father himself.. try to take a look at those pics posted in the world wide web.......be astounded by what the rest of the world can offer ..
    (damn i feel so silly for saying so much)
    头可断,血可流,倩女不可不追求 carpe diem,when in doubt, hoot first,apologise later:p GALLERY

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    i still remember the heydays when i used to go to #clubsnap on galaxynet.. and i used to have a forum account here. after i quitted photography as a hobby to shift my focus to other obsessions, i never did return to take a look much.

    these days photography in singapore on the whole had taken a huge shift. with technological advancements, equipments become much more sophisticated and better priced... everyone's touting a dslr these days, not those days when i only had a eos 500 film slr and developing film burnt holes in my teenage pockets. didnt had a chance to get anyone to comment on my photography back then either.. i probably think i lost the negatives and the prints themselves too come to think abt it now.

    photography itself is a gratifying hobby, it gives one a sense of achievement and self actualization being able to capture a moment in time and present it the right way. but nobody can do that without the guidance of those who had been in the field for a long time. books dont tell you everything. if everyone followed books, its like the education in singapore, everyone's factory moulded and are jacks of all trades, masters of none.

    i believe photography itself is like an art, we are artists, but we do not paint with brushes. if adequate effort had been put in to compose a picture and effort had been put in considering the lighting, exposures and stuff, i believe credit should be due where it deserves, and not just a full load of negative criticism. criticism is necessary, but giving good feedback is important as well.. (anyone did management here? lol).

    if you were to look at the clubsnap forums on the whole, its a huge place, there are many people. from hobbyists to commercial photographers. but it seems that these days, there seems to be a slight antagonism against newbies (or nOobs like we call it here), and that for simpler questions, or some of their new works, they often receive harsher replies though.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    not that it has happened but an analogy would be like...

    "someone takes a picture of an apple and puts it on clubsnap"
    - possible replies
    1) hey.. maybe you can consider working on what you're trying to portray? that would make pictures more interesting.. you could probably go up a couple of stops and probably change the angle and blah..

    vs

    2) what are you trying to say here?? lighting out. exposure out. boring shot.

    type 2 replies are more common though. both ways people would get the point, its just how some things are put forward. if the forums could be more encouraging, and a little more altruistic, then clubsnap would be a much better place.
    chezburgr i can haz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeanie View Post
    pay for me too ya.and i only stay in 5* please.no tents.
    jialat my take home pay is only around 700-800 after cpf deduction ..... may i humbly suggest u paid for the trip and accomodation first.... after the trip i will sacrifice and do the housekeeping , wash car for u can?
    头可断,血可流,倩女不可不追求 carpe diem,when in doubt, hoot first,apologise later:p GALLERY

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeanie View Post
    i do landscapes too.but only overseas...not singapore wor.
    Why Singapore don't want to do?

    Singapore is BEAUTIFUL, if you explore!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeanie View Post
    one thing i realised is, the pro's seldom give their 2 cents.
    so how will we newbies move foward?
    Something I feel is true too.

    I post a lot, but I don't get as much comments as I want to. Sometimes I just feel like posting up snapshots to get attention and maybe my other shots will be noticed too.

    Some more, I really don't mind brutality. You can do it DP style or what style and tell me to jump off buildings, chop off my head, or get fed to Afghan girl ghosts. My skin is thick.

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    this is an open forum, people can just post any comments leh. cannot control wat

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    Something I feel is true too.

    I post a lot, but I don't get as much comments as I want to. Sometimes I just feel like posting up snapshots to get attention and maybe my other shots will be noticed too.

    Some more, I really don't mind brutality. You can do it DP style or what style and tell me to jump off buildings, chop off my head, or get fed to Afghan girl ghosts. My skin is thick.
    if compare to sgvideoman.....who thicker
    头可断,血可流,倩女不可不追求 carpe diem,when in doubt, hoot first,apologise later:p GALLERY

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    Something I feel is true too.

    I post a lot, but I don't get as much comments as I want to. Sometimes I just feel like posting up snapshots to get attention and maybe my other shots will be noticed too.

    Some more, I really don't mind brutality. You can do it DP style or what style and tell me to jump off buildings, chop off my head, or get fed to Afghan girl ghosts. My skin is thick.
    Your skin is not the only thing that is thick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psychobiologist View Post
    i still remember the heydays when i used to go to #clubsnap on galaxynet.. and i used to have a forum account here. after i quitted photography as a hobby to shift my focus to other obsessions, i never did return to take a look much.

    these days photography in singapore on the whole had taken a huge shift. with technological advancements, equipments become much more sophisticated and better priced... everyone's touting a dslr these days, not those days when i only had a eos 500 film slr and developing film burnt holes in my teenage pockets. didnt had a chance to get anyone to comment on my photography back then either.. i probably think i lost the negatives and the prints themselves too come to think abt it now.

    photography itself is a gratifying hobby, it gives one a sense of achievement and self actualization being able to capture a moment in time and present it the right way. but nobody can do that without the guidance of those who had been in the field for a long time. books dont tell you everything. if everyone followed books, its like the education in singapore, everyone's factory moulded and are jacks of all trades, masters of none.

    i believe photography itself is like an art, we are artists, but we do not paint with brushes. if adequate effort had been put in to compose a picture and effort had been put in considering the lighting, exposures and stuff, i believe credit should be due where it deserves, and not just a full load of negative criticism. criticism is necessary, but giving good feedback is important as well.. (anyone did management here? lol).

    if you were to look at the clubsnap forums on the whole, its a huge place, there are many people. from hobbyists to commercial photographers. but it seems that these days, there seems to be a slight antagonism against newbies (or nOobs like we call it here), and that for simpler questions, or some of their new works, they often receive harsher replies though.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    not that it has happened but an analogy would be like...

    "someone takes a picture of an apple and puts it on clubsnap"
    - possible replies
    1) hey.. maybe you can consider working on what you're trying to portray? that would make pictures more interesting.. you could probably go up a couple of stops and probably change the angle and blah..

    vs

    2) what are you trying to say here?? lighting out. exposure out. boring shot.

    type 2 replies are more common though. both ways people would get the point, its just how some things are put forward. if the forums could be more encouraging, and a little more altruistic, then clubsnap would be a much better place.
    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    Why Singapore don't want to do?

    Singapore is BEAUTIFUL, if you explore!
    These 2 comments are well said.
    莫问前程有愧,只求今生无悔. Time pasts, Places changed, Beauty faded, what is left are Photos of Memories…

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    Why Singapore don't want to do?

    Singapore is BEAUTIFUL, if you explore!
    but very hot leh....walk around with gear, sweaty leh

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    Quote Originally Posted by eow View Post
    if compare to sgvideoman.....who thicker
    I don't know, show me example of thick skin from sgvideoman!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_Yeo View Post
    this is an open forum, people can just post any comments leh. cannot control wat
    not like Mindef forums right?
    chezburgr i can haz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetrode View Post
    Your skin is not the only thing that is thick.
    Wa, ya, now this kind of comment I must be not happy, by right.

    Luckily I have thick skin.

    I personally feel that AD HOMINEM attacks (attacks on the person, and not his blardy art or words) should be PUNISHED SEVERELY.

    Example up there. Because there is no room for that, when you don't even know the person except through a computer screen. Logic, no logic, the end result when you think, is the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_Yeo View Post
    but very hot leh....walk around with gear, sweaty leh
    Wear goggles. You will feel like you are in a swimming pool and...

    VOILA!

    All the heat goes away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by psychobiologist View Post
    not like Mindef forums right?
    i long time never post there liao

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    Wa, ya, now this kind of comment I must be not happy, by right.

    Luckily I have thick skin.

    I personally feel that AD HOMINEM attacks (attacks on the person, and not his blardy art or words) should be PUNISHED SEVERELY.

    Example up there. Because there is no room for that, when you don't even know the person except through a computer screen. Logic, no logic, the end result when you think, is the same.


    Just returning the favour.

    Going by your logic - you should have been punished a long time ago.
    Last edited by Tetrode; 12th April 2007 at 10:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetrode View Post


    Just returning the favour.
    Show me examples of where I have made Ad Hominem attacks, thankyew very much.

    Tolerance and understanding is a good lifeskill.

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