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    Default LCD from DSLR and laptop ok but printout terrible!! Pls help

    i found that the exposure and color of the shoots taken and preview from the lcd from DSLR is good.but when it comes to printout directly from my printers,injet and dye sub;it looks so yellowish.
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    can we get what we see from the laptop to print exactly the same???

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    Quote Originally Posted by studiolabmaster View Post
    i found that the exposure and color of the shoots taken and preview from the lcd from DSLR is good.but when it comes to printout directly from my printers,injet and dye sub;it looks so yellowish.
    Pls help
    can we get what we see from the laptop to print exactly the same???
    Pls correct me if I am wrong but you will have to calibrate your LCD of your laptop in order to achieve good results. Your monitor and your graphic card will have to be calibrated to ICC standard in order to give you a good output for your printer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanonEOS View Post
    Pls correct me if I am wrong but you will have to calibrate your LCD of your laptop in order to achieve good results. Your monitor and your graphic card will have to be calibrated to ICC standard in order to give you a good output for your printer.
    pls advice on how!!!!!help!!!!!!!go to control panel,click on gamma,that all i know,than select what???pls advcie

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanonEOS View Post
    Pls correct me if I am wrong but you will have to calibrate your LCD of your laptop in order to achieve good results. Your monitor and your graphic card will have to be calibrated to ICC standard in order to give you a good output for your printer.
    hi,is it the add profile association???too many to chose from,which one,pls advcie

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    Default lcd from dslr and laptop ok but printout terrible!!pls help

    i found that the exposure and color of the shoots taken and preview from the lcd from DSLR and laptop is good.but when it comes to printout directly from my printers,injet and dye sub;it looks so yellowish[no color correction made].
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    can we get what we see from the laptop to print exactly the same???

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    get a screen calibrator.
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    Default Re: lcd from dslr and laptop ok but printout terrible!!pls help

    Quote Originally Posted by studiolabmaster View Post
    i found that the exposure and color of the shoots taken and preview from the lcd from DSLR and laptop is good.but when it comes to printout directly from my printers,injet and dye sub;it looks so yellowish[no color correction made].
    Pls help
    can we get what we see from the laptop to print exactly the same???
    Are they using the same colour profile as you? I.e. sRGB or CYMK...

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    Default Re: lcd from dslr and laptop ok but printout terrible!!pls help

    Quote Originally Posted by studiolabmaster View Post
    i found that the exposure and color of the shoots taken and preview from the lcd from DSLR and laptop is good.but when it comes to printout directly from my printers,injet and dye sub;it looks so yellowish[no color correction made].
    Pls help
    can we get what we see from the laptop to print exactly the same???
    that should be quite difficult. even most of the best photolab in singapore can't promise that (demanding colors exactly the same). you need to match the printer profile, but i'm dunno how to do that, only heard and read about it before.

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    I wish I could get the 30D's screen calibrated although I'm more or less used to it in the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by studiolabmaster View Post
    i found that the exposure and color of the shoots taken and preview from the lcd from DSLR and laptop is good.but when it comes to printout directly from my printers,injet and dye sub;it looks so yellowish[no color correction made].
    Pls help
    can we get what we see from the laptop to print exactly the same???

    You can profile your printer with a colorimeter. You'd need to make one profile for each type of paper, for each printer and ink set. Cathay sells the Colourvision PrintFixPro, a basic colorimeter set, about $1.2k. The profiling process is quite tedious, but somewhat accurate.

    A simpler (ie cheaper) solution would be to adjust the printer settings to increase the blue if all prints are consistently too yellow. It's a bit of hit and run, and would require wasting a bit of paper and ink in the beginning until you get it just right. Messing with the blue-yellow channel might turn your whites and grays bluish/yellowish though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by studiolabmaster View Post
    i found that the exposure and color of the shoots taken and preview from the lcd from DSLR is good.but when it comes to printout directly from my printers,injet and dye sub;it looks so yellowish.
    Pls help
    can we get what we see from the laptop to print exactly the same???
    Hi!

    If you want them to be exactly the same, you'll have to calibrate *both* the printer and screen with calibration device(s) from Gretag Macbeth or Colorvision. Otherwise, it's pretty tricky, I finally bought one after years of trying to calibrate it by adjusting color in photoshop or the printer settings. Do a search on the forums, lots of folks have asked this important question.

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    Add-on to the posts above,

    Your digital photos will be RGB, while your deskjets/ dyesub are in CMYK, so if you really want accurate colours, you will have to convert your colour mode in Photoshop to CMYK first or else the printer will be doing the conversion for you. However this has limitations since your computer monitor outputs in RGB pixels too.

    To make a simple comparision using the method described by ST1100 above, just use a small photo (a portrait if you shoot people more often), make duplicates of the photo, then apply different incremental amounts of blue ( 5%, 10%, 15% etc etc). And then print all of them on the same piece of paper to reduce the amount of paper needed. A more accurate way will be adjusting the amount of the individual ink colours ( if you have already converted to CYMK). This is a bit harder, since most people are not familar with how CYMK inks interacts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wesley View Post
    Hi!

    If you want them to be exactly the same, you'll have to calibrate *both* the printer and screen with calibration device(s) from Gretag Macbeth or Colorvision. Otherwise, it's pretty tricky, I finally bought one after years of trying to calibrate it by adjusting color in photoshop or the printer settings. Do a search on the forums, lots of folks have asked this important question.

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    will it be better to just get the color calibrator for the screen only,the printer no need right?once the screen is accurate,the printer will be accurate liao what...............correct me if i'm wrong.using dye sub and inkjet printer ,both color quite similar but screen is wayoff......................

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    Depends. I would rather change the profile of the printer. Unless you want to live with Blue-er screen (in this case) for all your other applications in the computer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by studiolabmaster View Post
    will it be better to just get the color calibrator for the screen only,the printer no need right?once the screen is accurate,the printer will be accurate liao what...............correct me if i'm wrong.using dye sub and inkjet printer ,both color quite similar but screen is wayoff......................
    Well, not really true.....even if u have calibrated your monitor, u will still have to calibrate your printer. By calibrating ur monitor, you are just making the monitor more accurate. This has no effect whatsoeva on ur printer side.
    Even if you calibrate ur printer, u will also have to calibrate the diff. types of paper u use to print individually.
    If u are using Photoshop for example, you can try to print from there (open using photoshop)instead of using you printer's driver. It may help.
    Also some printers have an auto correct function where they post process your image...u can try turning this off... it may also help....
    Good Luck....

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    like what buganeal said, check to see if any autoenhance features are on... switch them off if they are on...

    profiling the screen is good to see if the screen is putting up the right colours... it might be the screen that is off, not the printers...

    do not print with CMYK files... desktop inkjets and dyesubs work with RGB files... the inks might be in CMYK with additions and stuff but the files they work with are RGB... unless you use specialised programs called RIPs (rastor image processing) that take over the control of the conversion process from the printers, we just have to trust the printer to do the conversion... I doubt photoshop does this...

    you can profile the printer though, but like buganeal mentioned, you would have to do it for every paper, also with every ink change... but if a particular print is critical, you could rent a profiler or hire someone to do it for you

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    wa lau a......................sooooo troublesome.
    Any chances to leave the printer alone without adjusting the color profile ......will it works if i get the screen calibrated ,as long as the screen is caliba=rated,the printout should be the same as the screen,maynot be 100% but 95%?
    From than,i could adjust the color and brightness from the screen by using photoshop etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prismatic View Post
    Add-on to the posts above,

    Your digital photos will be RGB, while your deskjets/ dyesub are in CMYK, so if you really want accurate colours, you will have to convert your colour mode in Photoshop to CMYK first or else the printer will be doing the conversion for you. However this has limitations since your computer monitor outputs in RGB pixels too.
    Haha my friend...... most (95%) desktop inkjet printers are RGB. Give a call to epson or canon support dept to check with them if their desktop inkjet printer CMYK
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    Read what Apple said, in "RGB versus CMYK" column :

    http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302821

    I met a Pro photog who insisted that inkjets printer are CMYK becos' there are Cyan(C), Magenta(M), Yellow(Y) and Black(K) inks........ and he have many years experience than me...... and he is Pro, I'm not...haha.. what a joker. In that case, we are better off buying a four colours inkjet printer.

    Read this also:

    http://www.xrite.com/product_overvie...SupportID=3981

    If you want to print CMYK profile with inkjet..... you need a RIP program.
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    I do know that inkjet printers takes and process RGB data, but you are still using CMYK inks as your output, which means your printout will still be limited by the CMYK gamut. There's no way you can compare your CYMK printout to a display on your RGB monitor and hope to adjust to get close colours. That's why I suggest changing the colour mode to CMYK on screen so that the display will be closer to your prints. Maybe my sentence structure was bad, but I didn't mean anything about printing out in CYMK profile.

    Though I don't know why you are laughing so much. If you know the pro-photographer is wrong, then why don't you try your best to convince him instead of calling him a joker? It just sound smug.

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