Test Images from E-410

tomcat · 4th April 2007

Good times are a-coming for Oly users !

It would seem that noisy high ISO images are history with the new Olympus DSLRs.
Check out these test images from the E-410.

http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/re...pus_e-410.html

cyuxiang · 4th April 2007

It's unbelievable, such a huge difference. ISO1600, & no loss of detail? Enough to make me regret not waiting for E-510 (which will probably have the same quality).

eow · 4th April 2007

stunning high iso pics

microcosm · 4th April 2007

It is mixed news for me as I love the noise from the older generation cameras and they can be useful for creating effects while at the same time, I would love for aggressive noise reduction to be a switchable option. But I guess with digital, the demand for noiseless images is a bigger demand than "film-like emulation" from the sensor.

Well, at least that solves one half of my problem. Now, time to send in my old cameras for servicing so that they serve me a little longer.

ISO1600 images were very impressive indeed. The butterflies images were stunning. Even in the shadows, the noise were very acceptable and colour details were not lost.

wind30 · 4th April 2007

you can always develop in studio high function and turn off the noise reduction. In fact, I think the master 2.0 raw development is similar to studio high function with noise reduction turned off. Lots of detail for my E300/E330.

microcosm · 4th April 2007

Originally Posted by wind30

you can always develop in studio high function and turn off the noise reduction. In fact, I think the master 2.0 raw development is similar to studio high function with noise reduction turned off. Lots of detail for my E300/E330.

The question here is IF. I hope for camera in body switchability. For some assignments, having to edit more than a thousand images is no joke.

wind30 · 4th April 2007

Originally Posted by microcosm

The question here is IF. I hope for camera in body switchability. For some assignments, having to edit more than a thousand images is no joke.

oh ya, for people who actually gets paid for photography, it is probably a huge hassle to shoot raw

For me ok lah. I only develop like less than 100 shots usually.

holidaydom · 4th April 2007

See that's the thing about OLY - they take their time to release technology (some ppl may see this as being behind in the tech race) but when they do - it's usually tried, tested and perfected.

I can't wait to see what they come up with in the Pro Body!

microcosm · 4th April 2007

Originally Posted by holidaydom

See that's the thing about OLY - they take their time to release technology (some ppl may see this as being behind in the tech race) but when they do - it's usually tried, tested and perfected.

Not true. They innovate a lot of new technology before others as well, notably the SSWF, and if you were into photography for a while, Oly was the one that brought TTL to the world of flash photography. Just that they wanted to retain "film like grain" in their earlier sensor, which is NOT a design flaw or problem, just that the world bought into the Canon marketing for low noise. I personally hate that. I think there are times when low noise is needed, but film like-ness is so important too. We are losing that with digital photography.

Originally Posted by holidaydom

I can't wait to see what they come up with in the Pro Body!

Stop it! I need more pills for the heart...

drakon09 · 4th April 2007

Originally Posted by microcosm

It is mixed news for me as I love the noise from the older generation cameras and they can be useful for creating effects while at the same time, I would love for aggressive noise reduction to be a switchable option. But I guess with digital, the demand for noiseless images is a bigger demand than "film-like emulation" from the sensor.

Well, at least that solves one half of my problem. Now, time to send in my old cameras for servicing so that they serve me a little longer.

ISO1600 images were very impressive indeed. The butterflies images were stunning. Even in the shadows, the noise were very acceptable and colour details were not lost.

Bro, the "film-like" noise grains is one of by-products of the CCD sensor.

The NMOS sensors don't produce that kind of noise profile.

drakon09 · 4th April 2007

The high-ISO noise profile of the new 10mp NMOS sensor is really very impressive.

Seems like it is at least one stop better than the 7.5mp NMOS.

And the samples were out-of-cam JPEGs using the kit lens I believe... can't wait to see the RAW samples using the pro lenses.

Life is good!

microcosm · 4th April 2007

Originally Posted by drakon09

Bro, the "film-like" noise grains is one of by-products of the CCD sensor.

The NMOS sensors don't produce that kind of noise profile.

Now, I am sure that the only way that someone can get my E-1 out of my hands is to kill me. LOL.

drakon09 · 4th April 2007

No DSLR produces better BW/monotone pics than the E-1.

So there!

drewdam · 4th April 2007

Stop it! I need more pills for the heart...

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before u landed with "P-1" ....E410 will reach u 1st.....compact, small, light......

microcosm · 5th April 2007

Originally Posted by drewdam

Stop it! I need more pills for the heart...

before u landed with "P-1" ....E410 will reach u 1st.....compact, small, light......

[/quote]

Actually, I am looking forward to the E-410. But I will not buy it so soon because it will be grossly expensive.

wind30 · 5th April 2007

Originally Posted by drakon09

Bro, the "film-like" noise grains is one of by-products of the CCD sensor.

The NMOS sensors don't produce that kind of noise profile.

I happens to have the E300 and E500 and E330 over the past 2 weeks so I did a lot of raw shots with them for testing.

What I did was shoot my neatimage calibration target and develop using oly Studio with High function zero noise reduction.

The CCD of E300 and E500 is noiser than the E330 around 2/3 stops. Basically, the ISO1600 of E330 is slightly noisier than the E500 ISO800. The E330 ISO800 is pretty good and significantly better than the E500.

I can post 100% crops if anyone is interested

espion · 5th April 2007

This is more like it ... high ISO high resolution! GREAT!

Noise can always be added in if you want noise. But you can never take away noise without losing something.

I dont think anyone should complain because there is less noise. And you can always retain the existing models or even use film. So, nothing is lost.

And I suppose some "smart engineering" must have been put into it to get it so noise-free, since CMOS is inherently noisier than CCD.

drakon09 · 5th April 2007

Of course! Nowadays it is more of a battle for better noise reduction algorithms.

tomcat · 10th April 2007

Another review and test images from the E-410.

http://dpnow.com/3782.html

User selectable noise filtering is back by the way

nightpiper · 11th April 2007

my observation differs.

has anyone shoot at ISO1600 or 800 in a bright environment before? go try it & you'll notice the noise is not very ugly.

a good cue for me to guage the noise performance is the 2nd last image, the butterfly shot at ISO200. notice the kind of noise with this darker image esp the background?

noise has improved but not great.

i'll reserve my final conclusion when i test one for myself in future.

since we r in the topic of noise... well lets see some noise from my E1!!

4th April 2007	#1
tomcat Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,456	Test Images from E-410 Good times are a-coming for Oly users ! It would seem that noisy high ISO images are history with the new Olympus DSLRs. Check out these test images from the E-410. http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/re...pus_e-410.html __________________ Fish Pics:http://www.pbase.com/pschia/oddballs IR Pics:http://www.pbase.com/pschia/infra_red

4th April 2007	#2
cyuxiang Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 62	Re: Test Images from E-410 It's unbelievable, such a huge difference. ISO1600, & no loss of detail? Enough to make me regret not waiting for E-510 (which will probably have the same quality).

4th April 2007	#3
eow Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,493	Re: Test Images from E-410 stunning high iso pics __________________ 头可断，血可流,倩女不可不追求 carpe diem,when in doubt, hoot first,apologise later:p GALLERY

4th April 2007	#4
microcosm Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,002	Re: Test Images from E-410 It is mixed news for me as I love the noise from the older generation cameras and they can be useful for creating effects while at the same time, I would love for aggressive noise reduction to be a switchable option. But I guess with digital, the demand for noiseless images is a bigger demand than "film-like emulation" from the sensor. Well, at least that solves one half of my problem. Now, time to send in my old cameras for servicing so that they serve me a little longer. ISO1600 images were very impressive indeed. The butterflies images were stunning. Even in the shadows, the noise were very acceptable and colour details were not lost.

4th April 2007	#5
wind30 Deregistered Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,929	Re: Test Images from E-410 you can always develop in studio high function and turn off the noise reduction. In fact, I think the master 2.0 raw development is similar to studio high function with noise reduction turned off. Lots of detail for my E300/E330.

4th April 2007	#8
holidaydom Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 885	Re: Test Images from E-410 See that's the thing about OLY - they take their time to release technology (some ppl may see this as being behind in the tech race) but when they do - it's usually tried, tested and perfected. I can't wait to see what they come up with in the Pro Body!

4th April 2007	#11
drakon09 Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,690	Re: Test Images from E-410 The high-ISO noise profile of the new 10mp NMOS sensor is really very impressive. Seems like it is at least one stop better than the 7.5mp NMOS. And the samples were out-of-cam JPEGs using the kit lens I believe... can't wait to see the RAW samples using the pro lenses. Life is good!

4th April 2007	#13
drakon09 Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,690	Re: Test Images from E-410 No DSLR produces better BW/monotone pics than the E-1. So there!

4th April 2007	#14
drewdam Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,491	Re: Test Images from E-410 Stop it! I need more pills for the heart... [/quote] before u landed with "P-1" ....E410 will reach u 1st.....compact, small, light......

5th April 2007	#17
espion Deregistered Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,533	Re: Test Images from E-410 This is more like it ... high ISO high resolution! GREAT! Noise can always be added in if you want noise. But you can never take away noise without losing something. I dont think anyone should complain because there is less noise. And you can always retain the existing models or even use film. So, nothing is lost. And I suppose some "smart engineering" must have been put into it to get it so noise-free, since CMOS is inherently noisier than CCD. Last edited by espion; 5th April 2007 at 05:47 PM.

5th April 2007	#18
drakon09 Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,690	Re: Test Images from E-410 Of course! Nowadays it is more of a battle for better noise reduction algorithms.

10th April 2007	#19
tomcat Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,456	Re: Test Images from E-410 Another review and test images from the E-410. http://dpnow.com/3782.html User selectable noise filtering is back by the way __________________ Fish Pics:http://www.pbase.com/pschia/oddballs IR Pics:http://www.pbase.com/pschia/infra_red

11th April 2007	#20
nightpiper Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,795	my observation differs. has anyone shoot at ISO1600 or 800 in a bright environment before? go try it & you'll notice the noise is not very ugly. a good cue for me to guage the noise performance is the 2nd last image, the butterfly shot at ISO200. notice the kind of noise with this darker image esp the background? noise has improved but not great. i'll reserve my final conclusion when i test one for myself in future. since we r in the topic of noise... well lets see some noise from my E1!!