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    Quote Originally Posted by plsoong View Post
    faintz...

    what a load of BS!

    This case is a 100000000% CLEAR CUT! what "COMPLEXITY" is there unless its about the person?.....................

    It is sickening that Life is cheap......
    she not wrong wat, she say more complex may stretch more than a year... tis 1 pretty complex... and heng not more than 2...

    u see, 1st, must determine he is speeding... then, must calculate the speed & velocity it needed for it to fly over the opposite side of the road... then must see how the bmw drive and the speed of impact, then must check the van... so many things...

    only thing is, how come nobody kantong his license? still siao on drive 205km/hr on NSH... good leh, no repentance, still so ya ya...
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    He should be the one who died and not the young innocent girl!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    only thing is, how come nobody kantong his license? still siao on drive 205km/hr on NSH... good leh, no repentance, still so ya ya...
    Is that a loophole is our laws? That allows a person to continue driving while under police investigation but not charge yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astin View Post
    Is that a loophole is our laws? That allows a person to continue driving while under police investigation but not charge yet?
    i think its more than that... cos i always read news, whenever any major accident involving deaths, sure the driver's licensed suspended... only this... i really wonder why...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    i think its more than that... cos i always read news, whenever any major accident involving deaths, sure the driver's licensed suspended... only this... i really wonder why...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astin View Post
    Is that a loophole is our laws? That allows a person to continue driving while under police investigation but not charge yet?
    I don't think this is a loophole in our system.

    It would not be fair to take action against someone before he's found guilty or before it's decided what is the % of fault to bear. We have to remember that not all accidents which involve death is blame on the driver and as much as we would like to have this Mr Lee off the road, the law have to be applied fairly to all.

    Having said that, if I'm not wrong, if the police strongly belives that any driver is a grave danger to other road users, they can apply to the head of TP to suspend his/her license but the reason have to be very strong ie: the guy is a nut case, medical reasons, etc.

    If there's anything wrong here it's that the police are taking too long to finish up the investation and charge the driver. Someone died and others were sent to hospital due to injury, it's a major accident over 2 carriageway and 3 veh going in 2 diff direction, why do the police have to wait 18 mths, an uproar on the internet and a splash of the case on the daily newspaper to suddenly finish their investation and charge the driver?
    Was the investation completed much earlier and someone forgot about it or did they quickly warp up the investation due to the public outcry or maybe it really is a coincident that things just happend at the same time?

    As much as I personally don't like the delay and the fact that Mr Lee is still allowed on the roads, we just have to trust that the police are doing their job. If someone is really sitting on their as* in this case, I'm sure someone higher up have taken note of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drakon09 View Post
    Person-in-question don't seem to give a damn that his actions killed someone.

    Hence the bloodlust.
    So once someone is involved in a fatal accident, he has to outwardly display grief from then on? Sure, that makes sense..

    Quote Originally Posted by yanyewkay View Post
    If someone killed your family member and offer their sincere apologies and condolences, then asks you to move on since you can't bring the dead back anyway. Would you just let him off the hook? you got a big heart man we all need to learn more from you
    ... So lets get rid of anyone who causes a death. An eye of an eye, right? Ever heard Mahatma Ghandi's version of the quote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Astin View Post
    Is that a loophole is our laws? That allows a person to continue driving while under police investigation but not charge yet?
    Innocent until proven guilty. Statistically most drivers who get into accidents are much more likely to drive carefully. Whether or not he gives a **** about that woman doesn't change the fact that no one enjoys getting into car accidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmmtn4aj View Post
    Innocent until proven guilty. Statistically most drivers who get into accidents are much more likely to drive carefully. Whether or not he gives a **** about that woman doesn't change the fact that no one enjoys getting into car accidents.
    Morally, he's not innocent and is directly linked with the woman's death. I pity her parents (being not well off and yet) took years to raise their daughter and have her life taken away because of this moron's "how lian" acts.
    Frankly speaking, I detest this guy's arrogance. To me, he's nothing but a dirtbag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoky View Post
    Morally, he's not innocent and is directly linked with the woman's death. I pity her parents (being not well off and yet) took years to raise their daughter and have her life taken away because of this moron's "how lian" acts.
    Frankly speaking, I detest this guy's arrogance. To me, he's nothing but a dirtbag.
    please prove that in court friend.

    its for the judge to say whether he inncoent or guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plsoong View Post
    faintz...

    what a load of BS!

    This case is a 100000000% CLEAR CUT! what "COMPLEXITY" is there unless its about the person?.....................

    It is sickening that Life is cheap......
    since u say its 100000000% CLEAR CUT!

    why dun you take over this case?

    you think everything is so easy one izzit.

    and mind you, this is a civil suit, i think you simply do not understand how difficult to prove that he cause the death of the salesgirl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoky View Post
    Morally, he's not innocent and is directly linked with the woman's death. I pity her parents (being not well off and yet) took years to raise their daughter and have her life taken away because of this moron's "how lian" acts.
    Frankly speaking, I detest this guy's arrogance. To me, he's nothing but a dirtbag.
    I'd love to imprison everyone who seems cold, evil, or self centered to me as well, but that doesn't change the fact that the concept of fairness isn't designed around what a person's character seems to be.

    Personally I think the whole hoo-ah surrounding this issue is because people just like the feeling of a common cause. I certainly don't see the people who apparently feel so strongly affected by this making an effort to catch other people like him (and there are many). The guy sounds like an *******, but many of the comments I've read online regarding the issue are the most illogical and devoid of proper reasoning that I've ever came across.

    That car he's thinking of buying doesn't seem like your average ricer to me, too.

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    Not surprising that everybody is so hard on the driver.

    But isn't there other considerations that should be brought up, like

    1. How dangerous was the stretch of road along Paya Lebar was? I know it was VERY VERY dangerous when all of the construction was going on. Grip on the road was not existent as it was all metal sheets. Whose responsibility is it to ensure the physical aspects of our roads are safe? What I do not know is where the accident took place and was that stretch of road under construction?

    2. What responsibility was there on the part of the car retailer in ensuring that only certain types of people get to test drive fast cars e.g. age related, no of demerit points and what these points were deducted for etc

    3. Another responsibility that the car retailer and the sales rep need to take ownership on which route which the car is allowed to be test driven in.

    I think that such issues and maybe a few others may be raised in the defence of the driver as such making it possibly harder on the prosecution to present their case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmmtn4aj View Post
    So once someone is involved in a fatal accident, he has to outwardly display grief from then on? Sure, that makes sense..



    ... So lets get rid of anyone who causes a death. An eye of an eye, right? Ever heard Mahatma Ghandi's version of the quote?



    Innocent until proven guilty. Statistically most drivers who get into accidents are much more likely to drive carefully. Whether or not he gives a **** about that woman doesn't change the fact that no one enjoys getting into car accidents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parchiao View Post
    Not surprising that everybody is so hard on the driver.

    But isn't there other considerations that should be brought up, like

    1. How dangerous was the stretch of road along Paya Lebar was? I know it was VERY VERY dangerous when all of the construction was going on. Grip on the road was not existent as it was all metal sheets. Whose responsibility is it to ensure the physical aspects of our roads are safe? What I do not know is where the accident took place and was that stretch of road under construction?

    2. What responsibility was there on the part of the car retailer in ensuring that only certain types of people get to test drive fast cars e.g. age related, no of demerit points and what these points were deducted for etc

    3. Another responsibility that the car retailer and the sales rep need to take ownership on which route which the car is allowed to be test driven in.

    I think that such issues and maybe a few others may be raised in the defence of the driver as such making it possibly harder on the prosecution to present their case?
    well...

    1) Test car, not test speed... since we know its dangerous in that stretch, and when we are getting our license, its been repeated numerous time til its almost numb... well i guess thats the problem... if you are not sure of the condition, drive slow... if anything, drive slow... not sure of the car handling, drive slow... everything is, drive slow, take caution... obviously to fly over to the opposite, doesn't indicate in any point its moving slow... some may come and shoot me and say, hey its a MX-5 for god sake, slow? damnit... ya, but hey, its test drive the car for feel, not asking you to be a test driver for a for a race circuit.

    2) dun think they will ever need anyone to do a psychological analysis before test driving right... anybody with a license are free to do it, since the license in its own is a confirmation of the person's rights to drive on the road. If anybody who races or drink driving and get caught, does it mean the tester during the driving practical is not doing his job?

    3) do you think its even possible to control the steering wheel when you are on the passenger seat? guess the most dangerous work is actually a car sales now, u hand them the keys, u hand them your life...

    nothing against the defence, but just my 2 cents... like photography, its man behind the camera... tis case, its the man behind the wheels, if everyone blames the car manufacturer, road condition, etc instead of themselves for accidents, this is what u gonna get everyday.
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    when very rich, can get big time lawyer, big time doctor and also most likely know big shots. sure can delay long long.
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    Why nobody considered the theory that Mazda asked the TP to delay :P Bad negative publicity for a car just launched. Let them sell a few more first before they drag it through the mud again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yatlapball View Post
    Why nobody considered the theory that Mazda asked the TP to delay :P Bad negative publicity for a car just launched. Let them sell a few more first before they drag it through the mud again.
    any case will take a very long time to go through court.

    its a civil suit, so the TP should not be involved at all.

    at most is get them to give advise only ba.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmmtn4aj View Post
    So once someone is involved in a fatal accident, he has to outwardly display grief from then on? Sure, that makes sense..
    I've a couple of friends who have killed pedestrians in traffic accidents...

    They haven't touched a steering wheel since.

    I've seen a friend die in a traffic accident.

    I've never exceeded speed limits since.

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    more update, his driving license finally got suspended, for the moment.
    Quote Originally Posted by straitstimes
    April 25, 2007
    FATAL TEST-DRIVE CRASH
    Court suspends accused's driving licence ahead of trial
    NEARLY two years after he crashed a sports car he was test-driving, resulting in the death of a sales executive, 26-year-old Regan Lee Da Wen had his driving licence suspended by a district court on Monday.

    Having taken him off the road, at least temporarily, the court then charged him with causing the death of 22-year-old Ms Angelia He Xueli by driving dangerously.
    The charge against Lee carries a mandatory jail sentence of up to five years. He could also be permanently disqualified from driving.
    Lawyers said it is unusual for the court to suspend someone's licence before their case has been heard. Usually, drivers are disqualified only after they have been convicted, but Lee created a stir when he asked car enthusiasts last month in an online forum for advice on two high-performance cars he was eyeing - a Volkswagen Golf GTI and a Subaru WRX STI-S.
    His remarks sparked calls for him to be banned from driving until the case had been investigated.
    The purchaser with an oil storage firm also faces at least two civil suits.
    Ms He, a sales executive, was a passenger in the Mazda MX-5 convertible Lee took out for a test drive in October 2005. Just minutes into the drive, Lee lost control of the $110,000 sports car along Paya Lebar Road.
    It veered to the right, mounted a centre island, crossed onto the other side of the road and smashed head-on into a BMW, before flipping over and hitting a van.
    Lee escaped unhurt, but Ms He, the only child of an odd-job worker and a bakery assistant, died in hospital.
    The owner of the BMW, 46-year-old sales manager Raymond Lim, is claiming $29,000 from Lee for repairs to his car.
    Mazda's insurers admitted full liability late last year, but the amount of compensation Mr Lim and his family will get for their injuries has yet to be finalised. The lawyers are also awaiting a specialist's report on his wife's neck injury.
    Besides severe whiplash, she suffered concussion and bruises on her face and spent five days in hospital. Their son, now nine, is suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. An aunt, who was in the car, fractured her shoulder blade and also spent five days in hospital, while an uncle escaped with no major injuries.
    Mr Lim said he still suffers back and shoulder pains. 'I can't stand up straight. Doctors tell me it's strain,' he said. The van's occupants, a couple, escaped unhurt.
    Ms He's parents, who are also suing Lee, could not be reached for comment. Lee has been released on $10,000 bail. A pre-trial conference will be held on June 18 to discuss arrangements for the trial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yatlapball View Post
    Why nobody considered the theory that Mazda asked the TP to delay :P Bad negative publicity for a car just launched. Let them sell a few more first before they drag it through the mud again.
    TP got no obligation to delay serving justice for commercial gains of others. This is totally not right. It's like saying whoever has money muscles can bend the law.
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