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    With digital cameras and photoshop comes a very powerful technique of blending, called HDR. Does it mean ND grads will be phased out? I love shooting landscapes and thought of getting an ND grad, but have read comments that doing HDR, whether via a single RAW or multiple exposures, are better than using ND grads. Please advice.

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    Hmm. I think its still essential. I just used one today while i was at Seletar Reservoir.. and i used it awhile back shooting Sunset at Changi..pretty indispensable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by metallilan View Post
    Hmm. I think its still essential. I just used one today while i was at Seletar Reservoir.. and i used it awhile back shooting Sunset at Changi..pretty indispensable...

    2nd that, anyway its so cheap no harm carrying spares around.

    There are professional photogs who carry around, then throw once scratched.

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    Tink so too. Well, may b i'm the sort who tries to use minimum S/W on photos, so I still use a fair amt of the ND grad.

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    Default Re: Do you still use ND grad?

    for grad ND, people would opt for tianya/cokin p system, and instead of screw in mount?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryuggen View Post
    for grad ND, people would opt for tianya/cokin p system, and instead of screw in mount?
    its way more $ efficient to use tianya/cokin system especially if you going to use it on 2 or more lenses... and also it make stacking of a few different filter easier with less vignette as compare to screw based filters.

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    HDR pictures don't look the same as those done with ND grads... they often have a slightly unreal, painting-like feeling to them. a well-used ND grad looks more like a normal photo. in the end it depends on what you want your pictures to look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplorerZ View Post
    its way more $ efficient to use tianya/cokin system especially if you going to use it on 2 or more lenses... and also it make stacking of a few different filter easier with less vignette as compare to screw based filters.
    I think more importantly, it allows you to position where the grad is. Something you can't really do with screw-on filters apart from just rotating it around.

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    i just started buying them 2 weeks back, have not tried it on sunny day yet... tomorrow hope to find a chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt View Post
    i just started buying them 2 weeks back, have not tried it on sunny day yet... tomorrow hope to find a chance.
    WHAT BRAND DID YOU GET?

    KNOW IF COKIN AND TIAN YI GOT PERFORMANCE DIFFERENCE NOT? I KNOW BOTH ARE COMPLIMENTARY BUT PERFORMANCE WISE... ANY COMMENTS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lumpyme View Post
    WHAT BRAND DID YOU GET?

    KNOW IF COKIN AND TIAN YI GOT PERFORMANCE DIFFERENCE NOT? I KNOW BOTH ARE COMPLIMENTARY BUT PERFORMANCE WISE... ANY COMMENTS?
    I use only Cokin, not sure abt Tian Yi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astin View Post
    I use only Cokin, not sure abt Tian Yi.
    I think one of the kind CSer have done a review... the quality of cokin and tianya is almost similar, but of cos tianya is fraction of the cost of cokin.

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    Cokins have a slight magenta cast tho. Quite irritating. I've heard Singh-rays are truely neutral but they are also many many times more ex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denosha View Post
    Cokins have a slight magenta cast tho. Quite irritating. I've heard Singh-rays are truely neutral but they are also many many times more ex.
    found the review here for those who are interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lumpyme View Post
    WHAT BRAND DID YOU GET?

    KNOW IF COKIN AND TIAN YI GOT PERFORMANCE DIFFERENCE NOT? I KNOW BOTH ARE COMPLIMENTARY BUT PERFORMANCE WISE... ANY COMMENTS?
    i only get cokin, wanted to try LEE, but too ex..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplorerZ View Post
    I think one of the kind CSer have done a review... the quality of cokin and tianya is almost similar, but of cos tianya is fraction of the cost of cokin.

    Thats why i stick to tianya all the way...

    So cheap its almost disposable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsosl1e8 View Post
    With digital cameras and photoshop comes a very powerful technique of blending, called HDR. Does it mean ND grads will be phased out? I love shooting landscapes and thought of getting an ND grad, but have read comments that doing HDR, whether via a single RAW or multiple exposures, are better than using ND grads. Please advice.
    Hi,

    I'm definitely no expert, as I (a) don't even have an ND grad filter, and (b) have not even done a HDR But from my armchair cameraman's viewpoint, I'd think that the HDR and ND Grad approaches are different ways for the photographer to express what he sees:
    • HDR as it name implies, tries to achieve a the high dynamic range in the final image, to try to approximate what the human eye actually saw. As such, the full contrast range of the scene is preserved in each image so that the HDR software can extend it even further to create such pictures we have come to know as "HDR".
    • ND grad filters, though, attempt to reduce the contrast in a particular scene to make it easier for the image sensor to capture without blowing out all sorts of highlights.


    Different tools in the photographers' arsenal, I guess.

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    if u use such filter systems how do u use the CPL and lens hoods? esp for wide angle lenses u got to have the hoods.. i've been looking at such systems coz it's much cheaper but i don't want to have to get the huge ugly hoods that are available...

    and what sizes do u guys use? i planning to get a canon 10-22mm.. and according to cokin website it's recommended to get the X-Pro series (for 15mm equivalent) and it's HUGE!
    Canon EOS 30D w/ grip 580EX, Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8, EF-S 10-22mm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelfin View Post
    if u use such filter systems how do u use the CPL and lens hoods? esp for wide angle lenses u got to have the hoods.. i've been looking at such systems coz it's much cheaper but i don't want to have to get the huge ugly hoods that are available...

    and what sizes do u guys use? i planning to get a canon 10-22mm.. and according to cokin website it's recommended to get the X-Pro series (for 15mm equivalent) and it's HUGE!
    CPL ain't much of a problem unless you keep going from portrait to landscape and vice versa, once the CPL is set, just mount all the filter... etc on and use.
    I have been using them without lens hood with my 12-24... not much problem. tho I get some flare if the sun is directly, partly due to that tokina 12-24 ain't a very flare resisting lens and also I stack up to 4filters sometimes... CPL + 3 other ND/GND... etc
    the normal filter holder will cause vignette on all ultra wide so normally I just hold them with hand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplorerZ View Post
    CPL ain't much of a problem unless you keep going from portrait to landscape and vice versa, once the CPL is set, just mount all the filter... etc on and use.
    I have been using them without lens hood with my 12-24... not much problem. tho I get some flare if the sun is directly, partly due to that tokina 12-24 ain't a very flare resisting lens and also I stack up to 4filters sometimes... CPL + 3 other ND/GND... etc
    the normal filter holder will cause vignette on all ultra wide so normally I just hold them with hand...
    Thanks! what size do u use? the P or Z-PRO?.. i'll prob just use my hand then.. and over HERE it says u can use their CPL simultaneously by putting it in the slot nearest to the lens.. although i dunno how that works...
    Canon EOS 30D w/ grip 580EX, Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8, EF-S 10-22mm
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