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    Default How nice if Canon/Nikon SLR also have in-camera IS/VR?

    Wonder if optical image stabiliser can work together with in-body sensor stabilizer?
    Would there be an accumulative effect?
    Wouldn't it be great if you can do precise handheld macro with the image optically stabilized thru your viewfinder and have another 3 stops of in-body IS working together.

    Just some silly thoughts

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    haha

    you must be thinking too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wong1979 View Post
    Wonder if optical image stabiliser can work together with in-body sensor stabilizer?
    Would there be an accumulative effect?
    Wouldn't it be great if you can do precise handheld macro with the image optically stabilized thru your viewfinder and have another 3 stops of in-body IS working together.

    Just some silly thoughts
    You can have it already. Its called the tripod and gives you as many stops as you want.....

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    Nikon has CCD-shift VR. See the feature of this cam: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikons10/

    Yeah, it would be interesting to see if both types of VR would have combined effect when work together

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    you can try out when the new Oly camera E-510 comes out...pair it with the Leica D 14-50mm lens with OIS and you have stabilization on both body and lens...but probably you can only use one or the other or something is going to be koyah...

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    Default Re: How nice if Canon/Nikon SLR also have in-camera IS/VR?

    And eat their own words about how CCD-IS is lousy? Fat hope.

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    Default Re: How nice if Canon/Nikon SLR also have in-camera IS/VR?

    if both body and lens were to have VR/IS it would counter react each other and cause blurring instead of image stablising.

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    I was thinking if the camera is able to know the shift movements in glass and compensate/cooperate accordingly, then it can work. In other words, the lens have to tell the camera I have done this much, the rest is up to u. Crazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by wong1979 View Post
    I was thinking if the camera is able to know the shift movements in glass and compensate/cooperate accordingly, then it can work. In other words, the lens have to tell the camera I have done this much, the rest is up to u. Crazy
    I think the cam would be insanely expensive.

    Tripod is a much cheaper option.

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    nice imagination u got, but imho.. having too many moving elements in the body and lens is not such a good idea. the slightest drop/shock will be enuff to cause misalignment.

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    Yeap, just like how we all already have AF. Its called your eyes and your fingers and it gives you as much AF as you'll need.

    And just like how we dont need computers with spreadsheets already - its called your brain and calculator.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    You can have it already. Its called the tripod and gives you as many stops as you want.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wong1979 View Post
    I was thinking if the camera is able to know the shift movements in glass and compensate/cooperate accordingly, then it can work. In other words, the lens have to tell the camera I have done this much, the rest is up to u. Crazy
    This is what I would think too. Maybe when the camera body detects in-lens stabilizer, either one of it will be disabled. I think this is the most straight-forward solution.

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    Wouldn't it be nicer to concentrate on noise free ISO12800?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michhy View Post
    This is what I would think too. Maybe when the camera body detects in-lens stabilizer, either one of it will be disabled. I think this is the most straight-forward solution.
    then it wouldn't be much of a point would it? imagine a photographer get a stabilising camera and lens.. so that only 1 of the systems will work...

    IS on a camera can only do so much... a slight degree of movement in the lens can have a much larger effect on the stabilisation, compared to the camera ones... sensors have a limited space to move about... or risk severe vigenetting if the goes too far out... so if u use a telephoto the minimal movements of the sensor aren't going to help much... that's y i feel the lens system is better...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelfin View Post
    then it wouldn't be much of a point would it? imagine a photographer get a stabilising camera and lens.. so that only 1 of the systems will work...
    Yes, either one will work. Existing lenses with VR or IS do not communicate with the camera body about the VR/IS movement (like, how much, etc) so if someday the bodies comes with built-in IS/VR, the body wont know how much to compensate for the IS/VR inside the lens. Of course, not unless the lens manufacturer introduced a new line-up of IS/VR lenses that could talk to the camera body about the stabilizer compensation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michhy View Post
    Yes, either one will work. Existing lenses with VR or IS do not communicate with the camera body about the VR/IS movement (like, how much, etc) so if someday the bodies comes with built-in IS/VR, the body wont know how much to compensate for the IS/VR inside the lens. Of course, not unless the lens manufacturer introduced a new line-up of IS/VR lenses that could talk to the camera body about the stabilizer compensation.
    my point is it isn't pratical financially and logically speaking.. no one will spend on 2 systems of IS coz there's only so much that the systems can do.. u either only have one or the other.. if not it will be so expensive i rather buy a gitzo...

    canon lens systems already offer up to 3-4 stops of IS.. u really want to have more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelfin View Post
    canon lens systems already offer up to 3-4 stops of IS.. u really want to have more?
    well unless sensor technology manages to catch up and give us clean noise-free ISO 6400, then IS will still be a marketing point that manufacturers must bow down too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by michhy View Post
    well unless sensor technology manages to catch up and give us clean noise-free ISO 6400, then IS will still be a marketing point that manufacturers must bow down too...
    IS can never compare to high ISO... u can't freeze motion with IS... and IS helps a bit.. but i don't think they'll go as far as 10 stops... 3-4 is already alot.. unless u're willing to pay thousands of dollars more... when u can just get a tripod..

    anyway i bet they already know how to make noise free pics at ISO 6400... it's just a matter of how they release their technology... u gotta release such technology slowly so that u can get maximum revenue at each stage...
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    Let's say even if optical IS & in-body IS cannot work together, I feel that canon/nikon would have to introduce in-body IS sooner or later to catch up with its competitors. Just like having anti-dust sensor, live preview etc.

    Though it may seem like killing their IS/VR lens business, they couldn't possibly incoperate IS in all of their future lenses and/or old remake models, ya?

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    Default Re: How nice if Canon/Nikon SLR also have in-camera IS/VR?

    Quote Originally Posted by wong1979 View Post
    Let's say even if optical IS & in-body IS cannot work together, I feel that canon/nikon would have to introduce in-body IS sooner or later to catch up with its competitors. Just like having anti-dust sensor, live preview etc.

    Though it may seem like killing their IS/VR lens business, they couldn't possibly incoperate IS in all of their future lenses and/or old remake models, ya?
    You underestimate Canon's marketing and advertising team.

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