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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    Got people shoot for free because of love of photography.

    I'm thinking of similar line.


    Why ask for so much pay since they are serving the nation ?

    Dun they feel proud ?
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    They should be paid according to their performance. I hate to see ppl comes in as a minister, dunno do what... go these country sight seeing and straits times reports " Ties between Singapore & XXXX country has been strengthen after visit by XXXX minister. "

    Then next month, XXX country ban rocks export to Singapore...
    According to their HIP HOP performance???!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Static View Post


    Why ask for so much pay since they are serving the nation ?

    Dun they feel proud ?
    If Ministers WFF (Work For Free), den I guess Civil Servants shld actually PAY THE PUBLIC for us to have jobs.

    Den again, don't Ministers pay taxes? Don't Civil Servants pay taxes? On the logic of "taxpayers pay for the salary of Ministers and Civil Servants", I guess Civil Servants and the Ministries of States not only get paid to work, they have to pay themselves in order to work.

    Find me a job in this country where the people have to pay others to work.

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    Find me a job in this country where the people have to pay others to work.
    hmmmmm???

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    Get the median of the top 10 paid ministers in the world. That's what they should be paid. Or if they insist, can get the 75% percentile of the top 10 paid ministers in the world, so that they'll not thinking of resigning!

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    I recall a newspaper article where the Goverment said they are sending out people to post in online forums in support of the government.

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    From indepedence to free from foreign debts to amassing $100b in national reserve in a few decades... What is a few millions? I say lets not be penny wise and pound foolish. Yes yes... some people are saying there are many poor people around, civil servants should serve for free. But to me that is losing the big picture.

    To me, Singapore can become what it is today is not because of the population is special. Everyone can think of how hardworking they are, how much they contribute to the economy etc. But the difference is at the top. What makes our fore fathers so special? Are they super effective, productive, creative? Did the early group of migrants have some special skills that other countries lack? I think the difference lies in the top.

    Why compare our ministers pay to private sector and not to other ministers in other countries? Because the talent pool is global. If we don't snatch them up, others (private companies) will. And I don't agree that they should serve with their hearts, get less pay. I say lets get the best in terms of ABILITY and INTEGRITY. They can pocket millions if they like as long as they managed the country well and keep on bringing in the money.

    And even if you compare to say U.S. of A., their presidents screw up much more then ours I'm sure. Just that they can afford it. So you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

    Ok, I'm going to get a lot of flame for this. All I'm going to say is see the big picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaren View Post
    MM = $10m
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    DPM = $4m
    M = $2m
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    Quote Originally Posted by satay16 View Post
    hmmmmm???
    Taxpayers pay the salary of our Ministers & Civil Servants right? So the taxpayers are qualified to know where their tax dollars go to right? However, Ministers AND Civil Servants need to pay taxes as well and their occupation are not tax exempted, they are taxpayers as well.

    So, going by this logic, Ministers and Civil Servants technically don't get paid to work, but actually pay to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince123123 View Post
    I recall a newspaper article where the Goverment said they are sending out people to post in online forums in support of the government.
    Conspiracy theory? I hope u dun apply that length of imagination to ur work.

    If 0 posts = some sort of govt spy, I guess I can re-register and start from 0 post.

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    as much as the increase in Government Salary Tax allows us to!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pai View Post
    as much as the increase in Government Salary Tax allows us to!
    Wow.... din know that Ministers:
    - Dun have to pay income tax
    - Dun have to buy food and necessities (so if they raise GST, they will kena oso)
    - Are absolutely not affected by raises in petrol (all of 'em drive)

    U mean being a Minister, they are not affected by all these?

    Wah... I'd like to be a Minister if that's the case....

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    Let the taxpayers decide!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virgo View Post
    Get the median of the top 10 paid ministers in the world. That's what they should be paid. Or if they insist, can get the 75% percentile of the top 10 paid ministers in the world, so that they'll not thinking of resigning!
    In that case, next time I’ll simply tell my boss that I deserve a raise because my friend from another company got one haha. So they will not think of resigning? Actually not so bad wat if they do, I mean these loyal super performers but who are keen to make more money should be capable of creating superior companies (e.g. Canon, Samsung or Boeing etc.) for Singapore in the real business world which will be ultimately good for the economy – seeing the big picture.

    In terms of private companies snatching up the ministers, I think some real life cases would be really helpful to appreciate this point since I only recalled that it was the other way around for some so far. If there are indeed such cases, I will be extremely keen to see how they perform there
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    Wow.... din know that Ministers:
    - Dun have to pay income tax
    - Dun have to buy food and necessities (so if they raise GST, they will kena oso)
    - Are absolutely not affected by raises in petrol (all of 'em drive)

    U mean being a Minister, they are not affected by all these?

    Wah... I'd like to be a Minister if that's the case....
    how do you jump from what i said to the points you list?

    but since you have raised them... let's go...

    1. income tax. er... income tax is a percentage of your income. so unless your income tax bracket change, you earn X dollars, kena tax say 10%, you will still keep 90% of what your income went up by lor
    2. necessities. GST is what's called a regressive tax. both those who earn more and those who earn less will be affected, but because the poor spend a greater part of their income on necessities, they will be more badly hit.
    3. similar to point 2 - will petrol take up a bigger part of minister salary or of the normal guy driving to office every morning but earning $2-3k a mth instead of a minister salary?

    plus, your use of the word "absolutely"... this kind of thing is a tactic used in arguing that tries to make someone else's point appear wrong just because it is not ABSOLUTELY whatever. just because Ministers are must pay more after GST doesn't mean anything. do they pay more than anyone else? do they pay a larger part of their income than anyone else? more likely the reverse.

    remember, the point of the GST hike isn't just to take money away - it is to redistribute the money in a certain fashion. e.g. the poor are supposed to get more help and bigger offset package. the point i was making with my earlier statement is simply that some of the money seems to be being "redistributed" to our civil servants and politicians as well.

    is this a good or bad thing? you all go and argue lor.
    Last edited by pai; 24th March 2007 at 09:23 PM.

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    This thread is closed.

    Sorry. Can talk politics in other forums, OK? But not here.

    Thanks!

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