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    Quote Originally Posted by since63 View Post
    Qin united only the six states in central China. The muslim and the tibetans were only part of China during the dynasties of Han, Yuan, Ming and Ching and today's PRC.

    is the chinese language that unifying the races together .

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    Quote Originally Posted by tqviet0327 View Post
    it really cannot be seen with naked eyes from sattelites. With aids, we can see it and lots of other stuff too

    Articles from Space.com and from NASA

    I agree that the Great Wall is really great, and it's invisbility from space dont change my perception towards it. But fact is fact, it cannot be seen from space with naked eyes
    Yeah, its true. There was a Nat geo docu on china recently abt the great wall. They also mentioned that the Chinese astronaut confirmed that the wall could not be seen from space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gundugundu View Post
    Saddam is different.... he gives out gold plated ak47!
    I bet you Qin Shi Huang also give out gold-plated stuff.

    Maybe dildos.

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    They both can afford but never use the whole 1D and 1Ds series + the whole canon L lens setup.

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    Both of them are not similary in any. Bush and Hitler are however more identical in personality, dun you guys think so?

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    Both of them are not similary in any. Bush and Hitler are however more identical in personality, dun you guys think so?
    hitler likes war because he got bullied as a kid. ( revenge )

    on the other hand, bush loves war because he is still a bully

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    Quote Originally Posted by legiz View Post
    is the chinese language that unifying the races together .
    I think u still mixed up. At the era of Qin Shi Huang, he (and his ppl) would not know there were Tibetians, Muslims etc. Qin & the other 6/7 warring states were from what is referred to as modern days central China area, while the Tibetians are from south west far far away, and Muslim are from their far away origins as well. They would have no contacts or no knowledge that each other existed. Moreover they are actually 500-700 years aparts in time as well.

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    NATO and CS got a lot of similarities also

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahbeng View Post
    Both of them are not similary in any. Bush and Hitler are however more identical in personality, dun you guys think so?
    For comparison, Bush and Hitler both made many mistakes, and both tried hard to hide the mistakes from their citizens.

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    hee hee, wondering if mods are like tossing a coin to decide if this thread is politics or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbesyeo View Post
    Yeah, its true. There was a Nat geo docu on china recently abt the great wall. They also mentioned that the Chinese astronaut confirmed that the wall could not be seen from space.
    Tell them to look for a snake on the globe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astin View Post
    I think u still mixed up. At the era of Qin Shi Huang, he (and his ppl) would not know there were Tibetians, Muslims etc. Qin & the other 6/7 warring states were from what is referred to as modern days central China area, while the Tibetians are from south west far far away, and Muslim are from their far away origins as well. They would have no contacts or no knowledge that each other existed. Moreover they are actually 500-700 years aparts in time as well.
    then who unify the chinese ? pls elaborate more , i am at all ears

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    hee hee, wondering if mods are like tossing a coin to decide if this thread is politics or not.
    Come let's help them decide and talk about satay.

    If there's 2,000 posts about satay, and only 50 posts about politics, you bet it's easy to decide!

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    then who unify the chinese ? pls elaborate more , i am at all ears

    If you're refering to Han Chinese, then its Qin. But the muslims and the tibetans are just the ethnic minorities. Their territories were added into or subtracted from China at different times during the rise and fall of different dynasties.

    They have continued with their tradition, culture and even language, which is why trucks load of interpreters are require for the different minorities during the recent People's Political Consultative Conference.

    The muslims consist of many different ethnic minorities ie. Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Kirghiz, Tajik etc.

    Tibet even has its own goverment-in-exile in India, led by the Dalai Lama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by legiz View Post
    then who unify the chinese ? pls elaborate more , i am at all ears
    Its a long story. The correct understanding should be that Qin conquered the 6/7 warring states (near and around the Yellow River) and became the first emperor of Qin Dynasty (about 200BC). Few hundreds years later this became Han Dynasty, so the ppl are referred to as Han tribe (or Han Chinese), the next many hundred years Hans fought against many other tribes, Tibetians, Mongols, Manchus, etc, eventually Manchus conquered everyone and became Qing Dynasty.

    Seriously speaking, Chinese is still spilt today (mainland China, Taiwan, Mongolia).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astin View Post
    Its a long story. The correct understanding should be that Qin conquered the 6/7 warring states (near and around the Yellow River) and became the first emperor of Qin Dynasty (about 200BC). Few hundreds years later this became Han Dynasty, so the ppl are referred to as Han tribe (or Han Chinese), the next many hundred years Hans fought against many other tribes, Tibetians, Mongols, Manchus, etc, eventually Manchus conquered everyone and became Qing Dynasty.

    Seriously speaking, Chinese is still spilt today (mainland China, Taiwan, Mongolia).
    Qin dynasty defeated the 6 other states around 221BC. But it collapsed in around 206BC with the start of mass uprising initially led by Chen Sheng and Wu guang. Then came the uprising all over the country and then only left Chu and Han. Which is historically known as the 楚汉争霸. Then in the end Chu Ba wang Xiang yu committed suicide at Wu Jiang, ending this period.

    Then dun need few hundreds years later, Liu Bang established the Han Dynasty. It is during 汉孝武帝 period where Han Dynasty rose up to great heights. They launched massive expeditions against the Xiong Nu (Hun) and drove them to slowly shift to Europe. Because this period....ppl are so proud of it....that they proclaimed themselves as Han Chinese, similarly why ppl call themselves Tang Ren. However Han Chinese essentially ceased to exist by bloodline....as the blood had been diluted in the Wu Hu Ruan Hua Period, Wu Dai Shi Guo Period.

    For Muslim.....I do not thinK it exist until 600+AD cannot be early the Mohammad period right?

    Manchus do not really conquered everyone....at least not for mongols. They entered into a series of inter-marriages. In the inner court....alot of the ladies were from Mongolia. Even if China is split it does not imply chinese is split. China is made up of 56(?) ethnic groups. Unless u mean Chinese as nationality.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by since63 View Post
    If you're refering to Han Chinese, then its Qin. But the muslims and the tibetans are just the ethnic minorities. Their territories were added into or subtracted from China at different times during the rise and fall of different dynasties.

    They have continued with their tradition, culture and even language, which is why trucks load of interpreters are require for the different minorities during the recent People's Political Consultative Conference.

    The muslims consist of many different ethnic minorities ie. Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Kirghiz, Tajik etc.

    Tibet even has its own goverment-in-exile in India, led by the Dalai Lama.
    During Qin dynasty there is no such concept as Han Chinese yet. It should come about from Han WuDi period and the concept is further enhanced during the Jin Dynasty, after the Qi Wang zi Ruan leading to the Northern tribes entered Central Plains. But essentially most of the northern tribes dynasties got absorbed into Central Plains culture and adopted most of their practices. The most famous will be Bei Wei Xiao Wen Di....during which...he shifted the capital to luoyang, adopted chinese surname and court manners......

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    Quote Originally Posted by legiz View Post
    Qin shi huang built great wall of china , united china by making everyone, tibetians, muslims, hans , qis .. speak chinese langauge and write chinese characters , china will have fall into pieces if not for his contribution. As for saddam ? this tryant burn oil wells , polluting the world, kill the innocents. babylon fall and destroyed in his hands.
    During Qin Shi Huang period I dun thinK he make ppl speak chinese language. He did unite the writings of the 7 states into a uniform writing characters.

    He did start the building of great wall......but the present great wall dun think any part is from Qin dynasty. Mostly if not all.......are from Ming Dynasty period.

    His other major contributions I can think is 1. Unite the Roads (by making the axle of the carriage the same) 2. Unite the currency

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    Oops, u are correct, the time between Qin dynasty and Han dynasty is definitely not "few hundred years".
    There were a few great height periods in Chinese history, one in Han Dynasty, then in the Tang Dynasty, then in the Ming Dynasty, and hopefully in the 21th Century again!

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