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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    ah? the reason why we don't rely on ferry services as a main mode of transportation is simply because it's really inefficient, especially if you consider the trajectory of movement. it's not like Singapore is physically separated into 2 parts by a large river running in between. also the embarking and disembarking time is really slow for ferry. seriously, even if there's ferry service from Punggol to Marina Bay, i'll just take the MRT if i have a schedule to meet.

    you just need to take a look at Manhattan. if you stay on the east of Manhattan, are you going to take a boat to the west of Manhattan to go to work?
    I am not really sure about efficiency if you consider looking at the jams on Spore roads. I propose the sea method as an alternative form of transport precisely because of the inefficiency of our land transport. If all the roads are congested, what level of efficiency will we then be looking at?

    I am not really sure about the slowness of em/disembarking. The issue is really about how considerate are we towards one another. From my observations in various locations, the most time delays are caused by selfishness and antisocial behaviour rather then any other causes. The berthing of the boats and em/disembarking of passengers is no doubt slightly longer than that of an MRT train, but seriouly speaking, how much additional time do you think can we save? There should be staggered timings so that in case someone misses the bus or train, they can always catch a boat.

    The bigger issue is to improve the public transport conditions and providing alternatives to the monopoly of the 'state' controlled transport companies.

  2. #62

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    Quote Originally Posted by eikin View Post
    ah? the reason why we don't rely on ferry services as a main mode of transportation is simply because it's really inefficient, especially if you consider the trajectory of movement. it's not like Singapore is physically separated into 2 parts by a large river running in between. also the embarking and disembarking time is really slow for ferry. seriously, even if there's ferry service from Punggol to Marina Bay, i'll just take the MRT if i have a schedule to meet.

    you just need to take a look at Manhattan. if you stay on the east of Manhattan, are you going to take a boat to the west of Manhattan to go to work?
    but if you stay in kowloon, you will take ferry to go to work at hong kong.

    hee hee, just feeling talkative. ignore.

  3. #63

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    Quote Originally Posted by insanne View Post
    There should be staggered timings so that in case someone misses the bus or train, they can always catch a boat.

    The bigger issue is to improve the public transport conditions and providing alternatives to the monopoly of the 'state' controlled transport companies.
    MRT compared to bus timing is not much of an issue.

    But put it this way, if you miss the bus by a bit can run after it. You miss boat how? Chase ar.. =D

  4. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceased View Post
    Such trival matter also remembered?
    That shows how petty you are.


    You huh, give some face lah.

  5. #65

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceased View Post
    Such trival matter also remembered?
    That shows how petty you are.

    I remember the funniest things leh.



    Different people got different memory mar. But then I always forget important stuff. =D

    Must be getting old already.

  6. #66

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post

    You huh, give some face lah.
    Ya lor, I senior citizen, must show ah kong some respect. =D

    Or you want me to tell another story about another monk in the southern province of china?

    Pettiness is not remembering such things lor, pettiness is consistently making ad hominem attacks even when people already give you face and never take offense the first few times you do it hor. Do it again I get government here to whack you ar, I have my rights.
    Last edited by night86mare; 13th March 2007 at 01:19 AM.

  7. #67

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    Ya lor, I senior citizen, must show ah kong some respect. =D

    Or you want me to tell another story about another monk in the southern province of china?
    Please go ahead..
    My bed time story....

  8. #68

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    One more reason why ferry service not so viable.
    If got more ferries flying around..
    Our Coast Guard will have hard time trying to filter out which one got illegal immigrant on board coming from other places,

    Well, we all pay taxes at one stage or another, and that goes out to paying the civil servants. So, better make sure they work for it.

    Frankly speaking, THAT is a very effective way of restricting the freedom of the people. And it is done by controlling the places where people can or cannot go.

  9. #69

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    Please go ahead..
    My bed time story....
    Ok last time got monk in Southern Province of China.

    This monk was very old and wise.

    One day he tell young boy monk story of his childhood, and young boy monk make a lot of funny statements, so old monk see young boy monk still immature, talk a lot of hot air, so he tell a young boy monk that his logic was unsound.

    Young boy monk tell him government say old people not willing to change, old monk must change. Old monk say: orh.

    Then young boy monk sit there and start scolding old monk funny names, old monk ignore, tell young boy monk more stories.

    Then young boy monk tell old monk that he is petty, can remember so much stories. =(

    HOW TO SATISFY YOUNG BOY MONK?!

  10. #70

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    MRT compared to bus timing is not much of an issue.

    But put it this way, if you miss the bus by a bit can run after it. You miss boat how? Chase ar.. =D
    Then you chase the bus loh.....remember, it's staggered...:P

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    something I cannot comprehend..
    India's rail system has improved vastly over the years and yet.. they can afford to drop their fares...
    http://blog.mobissimo.in/archives/87...t-2007-08.html
    why?
    “How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.” - Adolf Hitler

  12. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by insanne View Post
    Well, we all pay taxes at one stage or another, and that goes out to paying the civil servants. So, better make sure they work for it.

    Frankly speaking, THAT is a very effective way of restricting the freedom of the people. And it is done by controlling the places where people can or cannot go.
    Wa lau, if next time I become civil servant I sure hate you.

    There are people, and there are people. There are people who think that civil servants should get minimum wage or something, because serving society is their greatest desire, and they would die for their country or something, simply because they are civil servants.

    Not fair leh. You put it like that, then private sector no need to work for it because we are not paying them taxes?

    Not that I'm against making the Coast Guard work hard, but it is simply not very viable, really. Our waterways are pretty limited in terms of space, etc. Use what kind of boat? Plus, are you sure fast or not. I don't think so leh. MRT is pretty fast already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    Ok last time got monk in Southern Province of China.

    This monk was very old and wise.

    One day he tell young boy monk story of his childhood, and young boy monk make a lot of funny statements, so old monk see young boy monk still immature, talk a lot of hot air, so he tell a young boy monk that his logic was unsound.

    Young boy monk tell him government say old people not willing to change, old monk must change. Old monk say: orh.

    Then young boy monk sit there and start scolding old monk funny names, old monk ignore, tell young boy monk more stories.

    Then young boy monk tell old monk that he is petty, can remember so much stories. =(

    HOW TO SATISFY YOUNG BOY MONK?!

    Maybe by not telling the young monk any more stories?

    Someone has to let go ......

  14. #74

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    Quote Originally Posted by insanne View Post
    Then you chase the bus loh.....remember, it's staggered...:P
    No la, I jump off harbour and swim after ship.

    Then confirm will have people make big hoo-ha and say that I gamble too much in casino and jump into sea, so blame on government again. =(

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    Quote Originally Posted by insanne View Post
    Maybe by not telling the young monk any more stories?

    Someone has to let go ......
    =D

    Oh wait, I forgot that famous TCS line.

    Any character in the story blah blah blah are not related to real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanyewkay View Post
    something I cannot comprehend..
    India's rail system has improved vastly over the years and yet.. they can afford to drop their fares...
    http://blog.mobissimo.in/archives/87...t-2007-08.html
    why?
    just to add.. when annoucing the lowering of fares between 3 and 8%, they have also proposed to upgrade the system:

    - 32 new trains and 8 Garib Raths planned

    - Railway tickets to be sold at ATMs and petrol pumps

    - Nationwide railway call centre number '139' for railway enquiries and information

    - More coaches in popular trains

    - CCTVs and video cameras to be installed at select stations
    “How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.” - Adolf Hitler

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    Wa lau, if next time I become civil servant I sure hate you.

    There are people, and there are people. There are people who think that civil servants should get minimum wage or something, because serving society is their greatest desire, and they would die for their country or something, simply because they are civil servants.

    Not fair leh. You put it like that, then private sector no need to work for it because we are not paying them taxes?

    Not that I'm against making the Coast Guard work hard, but it is simply not very viable, really. Our waterways are pretty limited in terms of space, etc. Use what kind of boat? Plus, are you sure fast or not. I don't think so leh. MRT is pretty fast already.
    It's ok lah...you can hate me the next time if you become one ...

    I always believe in choices, and the freedom to choose. If people wants to become civil servants, then they have to decide whether it's just feeding the family or are they doing the right choice. It's especially so when they are in the position of power and every decision that they make affects the nation in one way or another.

    I really have no issues with wages of civil servants as long as they are deserving. The private sector has to work even harder so that someone can pay the civil servants...

    Will get back on the viabilities of ferries later...

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    No la, I jump off harbour and swim after ship.

    Then confirm will have people make big hoo-ha and say that I gamble too much in casino and jump into sea, so blame on government again. =(
    That's a bait that I will not bite.

    cannot blame the government because they had already set up various channels to stop addiction to gambling!!!

    All I can say about people who jump into the sea to chase after boat is STUPID .... kekeke
    Last edited by insanne; 13th March 2007 at 02:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    Ok... I am grumpy....
    But I am not out to complain about everything in Singapore.
    Providing real time travel info cost money, and I feel that these money could be put to better use. I would gladly accept a crowded bus or train if our last dollar has already been fully utilized to improve the transport system. But I see a different situation now, we are spending good money for no good course.

    Let me give you an example,
    In Australia, the bus services have time table. You know the timing of the buses, don't you think this method is cheap and good? Consistency and accuracy is highly priced in any transport system. A time board telling you the time is good but what is the point if the bus arrival time is inconsistence, this train arrives in 1 min, the next one arrives in 25min and the next arrives in 2min, do you like this kind of service.
    In Japan, you do not even need to know the name of the station you want to alight at, just look at your watch, alight at the designated time and you will be in the correct station. Is this true Mr eikin?
    I haven't waited for 25min MRTs. The record is 6mins as displayed, even so, the train arrived in less than 4mins.

    For the trains in Japan, I haven't tried timing myself to the dot (+/-10sec), but I dun have to remind u that the JR train derailment and crash that happened abt a year or two ago in Osaka occurred partly due to the extremely tight schedule that the driver had to keep and he was going faster than normal. The train bends in Japan are rather wide and that happened, I dun have to say how sharp the track bends are in here, u can literally feel it.

    As for putting more buses on the road, lets see the situation:

    On the assumption COEs increase and everyone wants to buy cars
    1) Car prices drop, fuel prices go up, carpark increase, ERP up. There are people now who still holds the mentality of 'car prices drop' but fail to realise that the minimum upkeep for private vehicles remained consistently at $1K (if u lower 1 end, u raise the bar for the other). Ok, the number of cars increase on the road, compete with road space with increased bus frequency. Roads get jammed, public transport commuters get late, blame who?

    On the assumption COEs decrease/private transport's banned
    1) Car prices go up. Lesser new cars on the road right? Wrong! There are people who would turn to 2nd hand cars. Assuming if everyone mothers son of us, holds the mentality of not buying cars, the economy would simply collapse. No demand, car companies go bust and affect the cycle of economy. Emotional thoughts aside, put into hard cold logic of economics. U probably studied Econs or Business during ur Poly/Uni days, tell me abt the full cycle.

    Between public transport, keeping the economy in check to maintain the demand for private vehicle ownership as well as keeping ppl satisfied (u guys would go rabid if govt were to outright ban private transport ownership or raise the minimum upkeep bar to $2K/mth), its a delicate game of balance which I can daresay, I dun even have the solution to keeping the balance in check.

    Anyone here have a solution which would not affect the entire balance of scale?

  20. #80

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    Got. Destroy all our roads. Everyone must now walk.

    Works in tandem with our healthy lifestyle campaigns. I will support fully, because the work day will be shorter, since more allowance will be given for time to travel to work on foot.

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