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    yup, that's what i said in the early stages of this thread, to read it in it's enitrety instead of eading a biased article from the paper. common sense tells me there is no way the person that wrote the newspaper article will side on the american. and rightfully i suppose he should not. therefore it is best to read the article in it's enitirety and form your opinion from there.

    i'm in total agreement with what a few people have said. first people tend to not see their own backyards. second walsh was here for just a few weeks but he saw what a few of you have also stated that apparently has been going on for years, perhaps decades or longer. so is he lying, taking pot shots, or saying something that perhaps you don't want to hear, much less hear it coming from an american. he (walsh) can't be lying, some of you confirmed what he was saying by giving examples of inconsistencies in the SAF. he can't be taking pot shots, because his opinions are the same as some of yours. which leads me to draw the conclusion that a reporter was upset and set out to disprove walsh instead of doing his job which is to investigate.

    why do i think that, well the reporter interviewed basically one person, or one side of the story. now what if he had also interviewed other people like some in here that in some ways agree to what walsh is saying. would his article had been labeled "american takes pot shots" or would it have been something like "a camoflouged division in singapore" to which i seriously doubt would have sparked ill feelings towards walsh and instead made singaporeans look more at what might really be happening. because whether you like walsh or not, agree with him or not, there does seem to be an issue that the reporter missed or was afraid to investigate and took the easy way out by stirring up emotions against walsh.

    in my opinion he (the reporter) should've dug deeper and found out how walsh came to that conclusion. i know the reporter said he tried contacting walsh, but walsh did not return his calls or emails. i find that a lame excuse and a copout by the reporter as well. look how easy it was to find an opposing viewpoint right in here.

    i would say looking at the big picture, singaporeans themselves right in this forum have given some credibility to what walsh was saying. which leads me to the other conclusion that perhaps people just didn't like what he (walsh) said eventhough there may be some merit to what he said. does he know the SAF well, probably not. however, he did give credit for some things, and pointed shortcomings as well...which is more than what the reporter did.

    so what will happen from here...people will be mad at walsh which seems to be more important than addressing a situation that some people have pointed out that seems to be real. i think you have to ask yourself what is more important, bashing walsh or bettering the SAF by correcting some of these shortcomings which seme to be true by what some of you have said.

    ...anyways that's my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazerLordz View Post
    Two of the best overseas cadets in Sandhurst were our boys, consecutively. And yes, both are Malay.
    There is a difference between malay and muslim. I think the author means muslim, not malay... OR maybe it was edited to malay already?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LazerLordz View Post
    Two of the best overseas cadets in Sandhurst were our boys, consecutively. And yes, both are Malay.

    ...perhaps there could be more if there isn't such a limiting policy.... and what some have cited are just plain "tokenism".. and yes, when u become muslim, your vocation gets changed.. i met an army Captain and it happened to him when he converted..

    well, the truth hurts... but we can always choose to ignore and pretend things can't be any better.. for the utmost important sake of harmony and peace.
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    Well, policies such as not allowing Muslims to be in certain units are probably not put down in black and white. So, by right on paper, it is correct to say that there's no such policy. But by left?

    Anyway, I do feel that Walsh does make some valid points. To say that he was "taking potshots" is to really think that whatever he said was not worthy of discussion, and that is a dangerous attitude to take. (Former Indonesian president Gus Dur, now that is what I call taking potshots). It is true that the SAF not battle-tested and that our specialists and officers are really young. In other professional armies, a corporal is actually quite a lao-jiao! Can actually command quite a lot of respect. What we have going for us is cutting edge technology, really advanced equipment and a highly educated population. But as they say, it's the man behind the machine that counts. When it comes to war, you may have all your fancy equipment, but at the end of the day, the grunts will still have to go in and kill or be killed.

    Are we able to handle a massive, and/or protracted conflict?

    How you seen how SPOILED kids are these days? And parents' voices are getting louder, so much so that the SAF seems to cave in to their demands sometimes.

    I'm not being anti-SAF. Just playing the devil's advocate here, 'cos we really do have to guard against complacency.

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    Battle tested? Well, one way to go to battle is either to hop into a war that u don't know what u are fighting for (think Nam) or to make it (very easy, just accept that bald donkey's call of war the next time he provokes us again on the water issue).

    Sending urself to die, sending ur sons to die. How many families here would accept that?

    Spoilt kids? U'd seen ur fair share, I'd seen mine too. I'm not sure if u know this, but how spoilt a child is depends on how the parents bring 'em up. If u see a spoilt brat, there's a high chance that the parents never used the whip on them before.

    MAJ, LTC, COL, GEN.... These people have children too, have families. They eat, sleep, piss, shit, screw, marry, have houses like u and me. These are the people running the organisation. Much as we on the ground scream the uthopian ideal of "Country & Nation Above Self" (put a 'Banzai' behind it), how many are able to carry it out to the fullest devoid of all emotions considering the fact that these MAJ, LTC, COL, GEN are possibly sending their children into war, into battle. Waving them goodbyes to their deaths?

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    yes very true, few in singapore i guess would like to send their sons out to die. However it still comes back to our mindset on how was it nurtured and influenced as we grew up and during our army days. Was the NS days worthwhile moulding you and me into competent combat and service men or were we really doing the serve and f*** off attitude.

    In fact, alot of us wouldn't fight a war if it really comes. Most number 1 fear would be death. Honestly myself speaking I wouldnt't mind chionging a war and die in it. Only matter is I don't want be caught and die a tortured or beheading death. want to kill me just shoot me haha..

    There's this quote that says ''dont die for your country,make others die for theirs''

    I've also read about american kids about our age, 18~20+. Young lads, fresh from school. Those successful ones who enter West Point. When news about fighting in Iraq came, they actually volunteered themselves out of West Point (officer school) and wanted to go to Iraq straight away to fight, even as a man. Same for Prince Harry, his attitude to go Iraq than to stay back in his homeland and see his ''brothers' suffer is worth praising. Their courage and selflessness I think is very commendable. Btw the westpoint story was from newsweek.

    Who is willing to die for singapore now? haha

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    I'll gladly sign up for Kamikaze

    Anyway, a point to note: The more u'd wanna avoid a certain manner of death, the more u will get it.

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    hahahaha those things happen in life all the time, want to find cannot find, dun need it come out on its own. i'll kamikaze with u..haha

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    yes very true, few in singapore i guess would like to send their sons out to die. However it still comes back to our mindset on how was it nurtured and influenced as we grew up and during our army days. Was the NS days worthwhile moulding you and me into competent combat and service men or were we really doing the serve and f*** off attitude.

    In fact, alot of us wouldn't fight a war if it really comes. Most number 1 fear would be death. Honestly myself speaking I wouldnt't mind chionging a war and die in it. Only matter is I don't want be caught and die a tortured or beheading death. want to kill me just shoot me haha..

    There's this quote that says ''dont die for your country,make others die for theirs''

    I've also read about american kids about our age, 18~20+. Young lads, fresh from school. Those successful ones who enter West Point. When news about fighting in Iraq came, they actually volunteered themselves out of West Point (officer school) and wanted to go to Iraq straight away to fight, even as a man. Same for Prince Harry, his attitude to go Iraq than to stay back in his homeland and see his ''brothers' suffer is worth praising. Their courage and selflessness I think is very commendable. Btw the westpoint story was from newsweek.

    Who is willing to die for singapore now? haha
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    Pat is by no means a warmonger. His anti-war views are well known and published. He held the view that the invasion of Iraq is illegal. However, he joined the army after 9/11 because he believes it's his duty to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprintist View Post

    Who is willing to die for singapore now? haha
    i am, for all the right reasons, if any. And i dun find it funny.
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    i read the remarks made by a senior po*******. about some remarks by a US general who praised our saf. wonder why his name was not mentioned. where is the credibility?

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    its actually not funny, but when i compare the american teenagers and ours, ours is quite a pathetic and shameful one. after saying that i tink our people won't dare mostly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet View Post
    Pat Tillman, walked away from a US$3.6 million 3 years contract to pay American football, joined the Army Rangers, 8 months after 9/11. He served in both Afganistan and Iraq.

    He was KIA in Afganistan. The tragedy was, he was killed by friendly fire.

    Pat is by no means a warmonger. His anti-war views are well known and published. He held the view that the invasion of Iraq is illegal. However, he joined the army after 9/11 because he believes it's his duty to do so.

    Pat is survived by his wife Marie.
    I read that article before, was very touched. very pitiful to see so many of their pics (war dead) taken in military uniform and to know their deaths has already far exceeded that of 9-11. sometimes bush is really a coconut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprintist View Post
    its actually not funny, but when i compare the american teenagers and ours, ours is quite a pathetic and shameful one. after saying that i tink our people won't dare mostly.
    i understand. mindset of different generations differs greatly it seems.

    but.. maybe becos i might be brainwashed during my NS time. hehe
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    so hows does really promotions in the armed forces are given?

    -is it by badge of courage (war wounds)
    -plain schoolhouse education?
    -age in service?

    singapore NS is patterned in Israels NS but theirs is more on the actual war deployment. i saw a video when they declare war with lebanon last year. a guy whos getting married that day was in full battle gear. just after the jewish weeding his off the platoon where he belong and cross the heavy gunfire along their borders.

    i think what the US soldiers observation was based on SAFs war experience. most likely if you havent experience being on something, you will not actually learn much or gain coinfidence in what your doing. since singapore is not engage in any war or have singapore send troops on peacekeeping missions??

    let the USAF talk... they all picking wars anywhere anyway... trying and testing new ammos, and rockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reachme2003 View Post
    i read the remarks made by a senior po*******. about some remarks by a US general who praised our saf. wonder why his name was not mentioned. where is the credibility?
    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...179960/1/.html

    Said US Brigadier-General Douglas Stone, Commanding General, Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Centre, "They put rounds on target and that's not easy to do; that's very hard to do. And to be able to coordinate and put it together is a compliment to the professionalism of these forces."
    I'm not taking sides, but those remarks are true

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    Singapore soldiers are very precious...

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    We do have very professional soldiers too!! MWO punniya, the commando who topped the seals course in USA some time back, or some other special forces course. These are more practical results we can prove besides being operationally ready to aid Tsunami etc.

    Otherwise, in terms of war, we are operationally ready but i doubt we are emotionally ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    The Korean War left a land divided, 1 million landmines in the DMZ, a nation divided into 2 ideologies of state.

    The Vietnam War? The body bags start piling up on the US end. My Lai incident. And though this wasn't on official records or on books I'd seen abt Nam, but I'd heard apparently using tunnelling, the Viet Cong were able to penetrate into a US ambush position reversed all the Claymore mines set and faked an attack so that when the Marines detonated all the Claymore Mines on themselves, the entire COY got wiped out.

    And BTW, I'm not sure if u'd studied ur history thoroughly. Nam was a major disgrace in US Military and so is the recent Iraq war. And the Korean War in the 50s? It never ended as both sides declared a stalemate and signed an armstruce which simply means "No more bullets fly, but we are still at war".

    Yes, more than 50 years after North & South Korea were carved out, both countries remain technically at war.
    Of coz I know it's a stalemate in Korean war. What will ya think of a 3rd world peasant country stalemate with a superpower at that time? and Yes, I am pretty good at military Wars history.

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