Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 41 to 60 of 106

Thread: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

  1. #41

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    Quote Originally Posted by kiwitan View Post
    Beware of the paper toothless tiger. Singaopre's SAF may not be tested in war but its Court can reach far and strike deep in enemy territories. Do not play play.
    ermm... "Court"???

  2. #42

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    Those US marines/Army forces also lack combat experience. They only attacked those countries they deem unable to fight back and bring the battlefield to their own mother land. Look at Vietnam and Korean Wars.. who was the major backer for these two wars against US which US didn't win? So if they think they are good, I want to see how they would fight with China.

  3. #43
    Member Static's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Surfing soft porn in CS
    Posts
    1,079

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    Quote Originally Posted by tokrot View Post
    Those US marines/Army forces also lack combat experience. They only attacked those countries they deem unable to fight back and bring the battlefield to their own mother land. Look at Vietnam and Korean Wars.. who was the major backer for these two wars against US which US didn't win? So if they think they are good, I want to see how they would fight with China.
    They are so good that they can fight and defeat even aliens.

    Remember hor, its the Americans who destroyed the alien mothership in independance day

    hor.

    Watever holy as$ all got their business.
    陳綺貞 2010 [夏季練習曲] 巡迴演唱會 Cheer Concert 13 Nov 2010 MAX Pavilion@Singapore Expo

  4. #44
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Jurong West
    Posts
    911

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    Aaah, the malay issue is a sad reminder for me. Now that terrorism is on the rise, many short sighted ppl will equate malay=muslim=terrorist.

    The fact is I'll defend this land against aggressors, side by side with my chinese, indian, eurasian/etc and malay buddies to our last breath, is not enough to change the fact.

    I don't expect the US to help us repel any would be aggressors. Remember, Malaya (our northern neighbours) left us to fend for ourselves, yet not only we survived but prosper.

    I'm won't read too much of such write-ups like by the ang moh. I think if we communicate in singlish in the battlefield sure he blur like sotong!!!!!!

  5. #45

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    In my Opinion Singapore is more then Prepared for War..
    And that is what Counts if you are not making War.. Right?

  6. #46
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2002
    Location
    Planet Eropagnis
    Posts
    2,944

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    Quote Originally Posted by tokrot View Post
    Those US marines/Army forces also lack combat experience. They only attacked those countries they deem unable to fight back and bring the battlefield to their own mother land. Look at Vietnam and Korean Wars.. who was the major backer for these two wars against US which US didn't win? So if they think they are good, I want to see how they would fight with China.
    The Korean War left a land divided, 1 million landmines in the DMZ, a nation divided into 2 ideologies of state.

    The Vietnam War? The body bags start piling up on the US end. My Lai incident. And though this wasn't on official records or on books I'd seen abt Nam, but I'd heard apparently using tunnelling, the Viet Cong were able to penetrate into a US ambush position reversed all the Claymore mines set and faked an attack so that when the Marines detonated all the Claymore Mines on themselves, the entire COY got wiped out.

    And BTW, I'm not sure if u'd studied ur history thoroughly. Nam was a major disgrace in US Military and so is the recent Iraq war. And the Korean War in the 50s? It never ended as both sides declared a stalemate and signed an armstruce which simply means "No more bullets fly, but we are still at war".

    Yes, more than 50 years after North & South Korea were carved out, both countries remain technically at war.

  7. #47

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    well, calling what he wrote "taking potshots" seems a little unfair to me. that's already a strong judgement on the accuracy of what he wrote, plus the spirit he wrote it in.

    maybe we don't need to be so angry and defensive about what he wrote. does how the US army behave etc affect the accuracy of his observations? they're separate issues.

    well yes, many of the things he talks about aren't new. they've been open secrets and the subject of coffeeshop talk for ages. what i feel is good is that by writing what he did, he's (intentionally or not) pushed mindef to officially discuss these issues. it's like how steve chia asked about white horses in parliament... most guys know there's such a thing, but in the end the govt was forced to admit it publicly.

    i'm in favour of discussion (ok, with some limits, these are sensitive topics after all). since things like racial integration and national defence are important issues to us, we *should* be talking about them, questioning the reasons things are done the way they are, holding our lawmakers accountable for their decisions rather than just trusting them to do whatever is the best for us.

    why not discuss the issues instead of attacking the one who raised them?

  8. #48
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    sing
    Posts
    3,353

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    He is right in some ways. War capability? Nobody knows. Only if you go through the real thing. That's why US rotated its troops in Vietnam. To give them real life combat experience.
    We are soft city folks. Well you can't have everything.

  9. #49
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    SGee
    Posts
    1,572

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    i guess most ppl prefer a cheery report than an ugly truth abt topics tt r taboo. its abt being honest w/ urself, d gd & bad aspects, d whole spectrum of it. not many ppl will say "yah, u r rite abt d insights of my shortcomings 1. i will learn on improving in those areas.".

    like Class 95 advert:" hear oni d gd things!"

  10. #50

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    yup agreed, self-serving bias at work!
    a700 | dynax7
    sigma12-24/minolta28-135/sony70-300g/sig400/lensbaby2.0

  11. #51
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    SGee
    Posts
    1,572

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    as a small country, we hav our constrants. we cant afford even 1 bodybag, not during training & surely not in any armed conflicts.

  12. #52
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Yew Tee
    Posts
    944

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoky View Post
    You in Tengah or Changi Airbase?
    FairPrice *press.
    Birds Of Singapore Android App released!
    the mac 13 on Flickr

  13. #53
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Yew Tee
    Posts
    944

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    Quote Originally Posted by sethkoo View Post
    Maybe Pilots fly too much, thats why they feel too light to smoke a heavy one.. haha.. (no offense)
    haha but seriously, I have never sold a pilot any other cancer stick than ultra lights.
    Birds Of Singapore Android App released!
    the mac 13 on Flickr

  14. #54
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Cons digger.
    Posts
    3,924

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    Quote Originally Posted by sprintist View Post
    2. Yes our Col Lim spoke up against the malay not being able to join the sensitive areas. However he merely talked about getting ranks and appointment but not the major factor which i suppose everyone knows. No racism remarks or sentiments here but I as a chinese i really feel fustrated that malays can't be commandos, arti (correct if i am wrong), pilot (got one only) etc...Don't understand why gov simply cannot place the trust in them or what..
    combat engineers don't have. The only malays in combat engineers are in less sensitive vocations like drivers and medics. They aren't involved in the real demolition work.

    To put it in numbers, yes.. combat engineers do have malays but not deployed doing the combat engineer vocations.
    “How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.” - Adolf Hitler

  15. #55

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    Quote Originally Posted by sprintist View Post
    Actually what he wrote I feel exactly the same way.

    1. We are indeed sometimes too safety cautious in our training. True we should train safely but it is JUST too safe most of the times. this cannot that cannot it restricts creativity fighting and training too. The joke I am not sure if anyone hears b4, ''Cat 1, rain already cannot train. During war Cat 1 also cannot fight''. In a way or two, safety became so serious most commanders want to cover backside, make sure everything won't go wrong, do things with overly care, whether u train objectively becomes secondary many a times.

    2. Yes our Col Lim spoke up against the malay not being able to join the sensitive areas. However he merely talked about getting ranks and appointment but not the major factor which i suppose everyone knows. No racism remarks or sentiments here but I as a chinese i really feel fustrated that malays can't be commandos, arti (correct if i am wrong), pilot (got one only) etc...Don't understand why gov simply cannot place the trust in them or what..

    My NSF days my fellow commanders were mainly colleagues, such nice people and I would say proficient too. Given all the restrictions the gov is disallowing much quality and fitness to flow into the rank and files of certain units as well as rank appointments. BMTC commander Col Ishak is one such fine example of an excellent malay commander yet I suppose he is the only Col rank malay around. There are more talents to be dug out I suppose but restrictions prevail, human potential denied.

    my 2cts worth..
    1. There has to be a balance between meeting training objectives and taking unnecessary risks. Take live-firing and grenade throwing for example. These are dangerous activities and there have been fatal accidents in the past. But the training is deemed so important that it will never be scrapped. It is vital that every soldier knows and experiences what it is like to fire live rounds and how to use his weapon inside out. Training in inclement weather is something else. By all means train in the rain (and believe me, military exercises do go on despite the rain). However, if there is a risk of lightning strike (Cat 1 weather), better to safeguard your men. No training can ever hope to perfectly replicate actual battle conditions, but it does not mean that the training is not effective. you do not need to set a building on fire to practice a fire drill just for the sake of "realism".

    2. IIRC, Col Ishak was a Brigade Commander prior to being BMTC commander. As a Commander of a combined arms unit and a senior officer, he would have been privy to much "sensitive" and highly classified information regarding the SAF. Much more than what a pilot, commando or combat engineer could glean. Of course there are malay officers holding ranks lower than COL, but they would also be privy to "sensitive" and classified military information about Singapore and her neighbours as well.

    Former Indonesian President Habibie once remarked that Singapore was a racist state because "no Malay could ever become an officer in the SAF". Now that Mr Walsh has watered that old (and inaccurate) accusation down somewhat, it strikes me as a bit of an exaggeration to claim that "Malays are excluded from sensitive areas" in the SAF.
    Last edited by zaren; 13th March 2007 at 02:34 AM.

  16. #56
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Cons digger.
    Posts
    3,924

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    tokenism?

    it is without a doubt that there are many malay officers and senior officers in the army but none to start with from certain arms, like combat engineers, to rise through the ranks. You can find many indians though, maybe if SAF can show some break down for the officer distribution for the various races it will dispel the myths. It's not a 'bad thing' though, cos I have heard that some malays were saying "luckily I will never be posted to combat engineers to do the siong stuff"

    Don't be mistaken that I am trying to convey any racist remarks as i do not mean it that way. I do have malay friends and they do agree to what I say as well.
    “How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.” - Adolf Hitler

  17. #57

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    1. Safety in training - SAF being a conscript army, Training and safety comes equally first. Training objectives must be met and at the same time making sure that safety in the training is not compromise. Anything happen, the commanders is actually answerable to the nation, family and everyone.

    2. Malay officer - recently there is one Malay officer who commissioned from Sandhurst, who went through his officer cadet training in Sandhurst.

    3. Women officer not holding major appointment - There is one women officer who was Commanding officer of a artillery battalion. I think now she have taken a more senior appointment by now.

    I feel that we must read up the actual article by Mr Walsh.

  18. #58
    Senior Member Sion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    新天地
    Posts
    4,768

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    I am not afraid of American soldiers leh:

    http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthrea...=264799&page=2


  19. #59

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    Just to clarify...We do have malay commandos in the SAF.

  20. #60
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    senGkanG
    Posts
    480

    Default Re: US soldier takes potshots at SAF

    Quote Originally Posted by leotitude79 View Post
    1. Safety in training - SAF being a conscript army, Training and safety comes equally first. Training objectives must be met and at the same time making sure that safety in the training is not compromise. Anything happen, the commanders is actually answerable to the nation, family and everyone.

    2. Malay officer - recently there is one Malay officer who commissioned from Sandhurst, who went through his officer cadet training in Sandhurst.

    3. Women officer not holding major appointment - There is one women officer who was Commanding officer of a artillery battalion. I think now she have taken a more senior appointment by now.

    I feel that we must read up the actual article by Mr Walsh.
    Out of point abit, there's a malaysian who was in ocs as oct and just got commission last sat too..

Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •