Priority is the shot. The rest is secondary. No shot no pay
Priority is the shot but I will be courteous. Even though I may miss the shot.
Priority is to be courteous and still get the shot. Maybe not the best shot.
Others (pls specify...)
I'll just claim he ran into my lens.
Last edited by yilishengxian; 12th March 2007 at 02:17 PM.
Last edited by vince123123; 12th March 2007 at 02:59 PM.
chill yah? don't spoil the discussion can?
can't make heads or tails of what you are saying buddy
my point is that try as you might to live in an idealisitc world, but the world just doesn't work that way i wish it would but it doesn't. sure it would be nice if we all got along and i agree. what i'm saying is that no one owes anybody anything and if you live your life thinking everyone has to be courteous then you're in for a rude awakening because it isn't going to happen. i try to be courteous, but i know i cannot force my values, ethics, beliefs on anyone else, and that is really a big part or at the heart of this debate...expecting someone to act how you would.
be mad with me if you want for saying that but it's reality. i'm saying be creative and find another angle for your shot, i do. you have a choice...grumble and complain because an official or pro photog is in your way when they have a job to do, or simply suck it up and find another angle.
example... move up, down, left, right, forward, backward, or stand there and complain. you have at least 7 options, so pic one. it gets to a point where if i would be looking behind me to see who i am in the way of, then i or any of us will miss what is in front of us and miss the shot. bottom line, we are all in the way of someone sometime somewhere. as long as there are people in the world this will happen so why do we act as if this is something new? some people will be nice and others won't so why complain or grumble about what you cannot control? simply make a choice, get upset, move for another angle, or ask the photog if he/she can move a bit, but worst case scenario, expect them to think or even say who are you to tell me i'm in your way when i have a job to do.
i think Club CS should mean Club Complain Somemore
sorry guys, but in my opinion someone has a job to do, end of story. if he/she can accomodate you, fine...if not, then you should be able to reason that they have a job to do...or be miserable and complain. at the end of the day, being courteous is not a law so why act as if it is because it seems that way.
i'm not knocking anyone, but just think there are far more important things in life.
i do agree with you on the point that it would be nice if were all courteous.
although i just don't see it as being some sort of crime or rights violation if someone is in the way when they have a job to do. anyways this will go on forever and i said my peace...i'm out of this debate
I want to say something...
I have been the official media photographer for many movie events. On the actual day... it involves being at the airport awaiting the entourage... following them in the MPV, to their hotel, for the press conference, & they will also have an outdoor activity before their gala event at night, it could be a dinner, or ballroom event thing, it could even be a closed door thing.
At such an event, of course i am not the only person with a big dSLR camera... i get to 'rival' other photographers from i-weekly, U-Weekly, 8 days, Xin Min Bao, Zhao Bao & Wan Bao. Sometimes TV camerman from CNA, TV12, TV8 or Channel U too. Their video cameras are bigger than any dSLR of course...
Sometimes i find that the magazines photographers take better photos than me of course, i'm a nobody. But i dun keep snapping snapping on the movie star as if he or she is mine & only mine... I am lucky that at the airport from the start, i am 'protected' by the bodyguards. They are locally employed by the event company to 'guard' the stars right from the start... sometimes i may missed some shots as due to i must be fairly close to the entourage & not wander too farl, i might get detached from the entourage... I get to travel in the hired MB Vito with the stars, be humble is very important... the body guards will usher the stars into the car first, they are priority, me & bodyguards last & i usually sit at the back right end of the car... inside the car, no more photo taking already... i should never sneak photos on the star, the movie stars dun like it.
I need to exit quickly so as to get important photos of the stars arriving at this place or that place... sometimes to do that i will be in a decoy car they call it, or an advance party car.
At the press conference, sometimes it's a ballroom, sometimes it's a club or pub like place... the venue might be intimate, i.e small place... my experience so far is the magazine/press photographers are friendly... we dun fight for place... we take turns automatically to snap pics at good angled places... all very well mannered. Sometimes i find them more aggressive than me... tat is fine lah... my day like very tiring... i dun go fight with anyother photographer over small things... so far i find most courteous & 'automatic'...
Like someone else mentioned. Videographer more hostile towards ppl whom not automatic. I've seen photographers ga na told off by them. Me myself have been tapped at the should by one to move. I obliged & said sorry, even though i am official photographer, but they from CNA, more big deal i think...
In the evening... there is gala & again i have to rival with other photographers, but less usually... i get to take photos of both local & foreign media artist... then there will be a time where only i, the official photographer, & the V.I.P, will be in a V.I.P room with luxurious food & wine... I dun just snap pics as i pls... i follow my P.R & can only take pics when they want to. They are H.K movie companies bosses, & bosses of Shaw, Cathay, E.W etc, together with the movie director & the movie stars. Then usually the ending is a grp shot of them...
Maybe i've said too much & all the unnecessary... wat i want to say is be humble lah... be courteous also... keep an open mind... dun try to act too smart or arrogant (for me lah, coz i'm a nobody)... It's also a good event for me to give my name card to media companies & P.R...