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    Hi Guys,

    I am currently using the SONY H5. I thought of moving on to DSLR because of the image quality and I like to shoot at night without using the flash, hence it is important for a high ISO with less noise. The pictures currently I have taken are quite nosiy, color not very neat and sharp.

    Not sure if it is justifiable to get an DSLR. Need you advice.

    Thanks
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    Night shots? Won't it be better to use a lower ISO but use a tripod instead so that there may be less noise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantaresg View Post
    Night shots? Won't it be better to use a lower ISO but use a tripod instead so that there may be less noise?
    that means, i will need to reduce mu shutter speed and there will be movement blur.
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    So you are referring to night portraits? I'm sorry but I am also a beginner to photography, but I'd think that if that is the case then I will use a DSLR, with a flash unit and a tripod. Check that the camera has a function known as 2nd curtain sync (meaning the flash will shoot just before the shutter curtain closes). Use a slightly long exposure so that the background will be bright enough (and with the tripod there should not be any camera shakes), and the second flash should more or less ensure that the subject will be reasonably sharp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantaresg View Post
    So you are referring to night portraits? I'm sorry but I am also a beginner to photography, but I'd think that if that is the case then I will use a DSLR, with a flash unit and a tripod. Check that the camera has a function known as 2nd curtain sync (meaning the flash will shoot just before the shutter curtain closes). Use a slightly long exposure so that the background will be bright enough (and with the tripod there should not be any camera shakes), and the second flash should more or less ensure that the subject will be reasonably sharp.
    Great Knowledge you got. I dislike to carry a tripod and use to use flash.
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    With regards to noise in your sensor, there are tons of ways to minimize noise on your current camera (w/o flash), you'll just need learn more about your camera & photography techniques and how you apply those features already in there when you take a low light shot.
    Color & sharpness I can't comment cos I've never liked Sony for any product (never have and never will) and have yet to touch, much less use a Sony camera. This is just my personal choice & biase towards the brand, nothing else.

    If you have the money to splurge on a dslr, by all means do so; but just be aware that having a better camera does not equal to getting you better pictures. It's still the person behind the camera that counts in the end.

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    If ur not a tripod man..

    DSLR is the way to go. No way can your current sony allow you push ISO to 3200 with managable noise and mount on a fast F1.2-1.8 lens

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    Quote Originally Posted by XC Pictorial View Post
    If ur not a tripod man..

    DSLR is the way to go. No way can your current sony allow you push ISO to 3200 with managable noise and mount on a fast F1.2-1.8 lens
    Hmmm...Thanks Guys. I will get the Canon 400D. As it has the best ISO performance to keep the ambiance of the night lightings original.

    Where do you think can get a good price?

    Oh yea...another think to note....Since I am using a Sony Prosumer cam, it has a image stabilizer feature. I understand that the DSLR do not have such feature. So do I have really have to increase the shutter speed as compared to my prosumer camera to reduce the camera shake blur?
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    IS only compensate for ur hand shake and not motion blur due to subject moving, which u can counter by panning. rule for average person is to use 1/(focal length) u are shooting at. But it is subjective depending on the user. I have seen handheld 1s decent shots. Otherwise canon has IS lens, which i have non in my collection as they are a waste to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XC Pictorial View Post
    IS only compensate for ur hand shake and not motion blur due to subject moving, which u can counter by panning. rule for average person is to use 1/(focal length) u are shooting at. But it is subjective depending on the user. I have seen handheld 1s decent shots. Otherwise canon has IS lens, which i have non in my collection as they are a waste to me.
    Hi XC Pictorial,

    What is 1/(focal length)

    What is the average cost of IS lens?

    I know that Sony's Alpha has a image stabilizer built into the body, how effective is that as compared to the IS lens?
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    That means that if you are using a 300mm effective zoom, then your shutter speed should not be slower than 1/300 s. If you are using a 50mm effective zoom, your shutter speed should not be slower than 1/50s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunas View Post
    Hi XC Pictorial,

    What is 1/(focal length)

    What is the average cost of IS lens?

    I know that Sony's Alpha has a image stabilizer built into the body, how effective is that as compared to the IS lens?
    You can get the cost of IS lens all over the individual brand threads.

    Don't burst a blood vessel hor, I also very itchy want to upgrade to Pentax K100D but I look at the lens prices and think about how I won't want to shoot with kit lens only for a long long time and then I decided to save up longer first.

    Not sure if you actually want to get a DSLR for that sole purpose - but if you -are- indeed serious about photography, I suppose it's a sooner or later thing, so long as your finances are solidly in place. =D =D =D If not, can always grab a Fujifilm.. F30 la, F20, 6500FD all got quite solid high ISO performance. Definitely never as good as DSLR.. But not too shabby, from what I've seen.

    Also, if you're so anti-tripod.. Use monopod lor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunas View Post
    Great Knowledge you got. I dislike to carry a tripod and use to use flash.
    Just a reminder... dSLR have its limitation as well... when its too dark even with a fast f2.8 lens + ISO1600, sometimes it ain't enough.

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    not nessessary to use dslr to have a nice night "citylight" shot. I was just using a small Fujifilm DL ... when i was a kid. Fujifilm is excellent in quality but design is not there. Pity i dont like the S3 Pro, S5 Pro interfaces..

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    Intersting topic here. Lunas can you post some pictures of your intrepritation of night shots.

    Thanks

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    Bro,

    For the image stabalizer, you may want to look at Pentax K10D/ Sony's Alpha (they took over Konica/ Minolta's SLR Division)/ Olympus (not sure if they have).

    From what I know, those cams have the image stabaliser, hand-shake reduction, etc built into the cam. Thus, no need to build such features into the lens. So their lenses of a similiar grade to Canon/ Nikon costs lesser.

    As for the topic on tripod - I think it does have it's merits. Like you could set a timer on the cam (which is on a tripod) to release the shutter - confirm no shakes, so need not buy IS/ VR lenses .

    For me, I have been having loads of fun going out with my other half, snapping photos of us (with a remote) without the help of passers-by.

    Quote Originally Posted by lunas View Post

    I know that Sony's Alpha has a image stabilizer built into the body, how effective is that as compared to the IS lens?
    The DIFFERENCE is not in the "Cue", it is in the SKILLS...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunas View Post
    Hi Guys,

    I am currently using the SONY H5. I thought of moving on to DSLR because of the image quality and I like to shoot at night without using the flash, hence it is important for a high ISO with less noise. The pictures currently I have taken are quite nosiy, color not very neat and sharp.

    Not sure if it is justifiable to get an DSLR. Need you advice.

    Thanks
    hi, how do you rate the H5 in terms of:
    - user friendly
    - pic quality
    - features available compared to other cameras
    - Sony H5 vs Canon S3IS

    thanks for your feedback as I am considering getting one of this during the PC show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunas View Post
    Since I am using a Sony Prosumer cam, it has a image stabilizer feature. I understand that the DSLR do not have such feature.
    Sony and pentax have it built-in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauche View Post
    hi, how do you rate the H5 in terms of:
    - user friendly
    - pic quality
    - features available compared to other cameras
    - Sony H5 vs Canon S3IS

    thanks for your feedback as I am considering getting one of this during the PC show.
    1. There is a comparative review on many online review sites, such as dpreview.

    2. In general, the H5 outperforms the S3IS. The main benefit of the S3IS is the tilting LCD.

    3. Don't buy it at the PC show. The H7 and H9 are coming out already.

    4. If you want to save money, buy an H1/H2/H5 off the marketplace section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reddy View Post
    Intersting topic here. Lunas can you post some pictures of your intrepritation of night shots.

    Thanks
    Hi reddy,

    This picture is used without flash and a high ISO without Flash



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