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    http://www.singaporebudget.gov.sg/bu...Highlights.pdf

    interesting graph on page 28.

    It seems that only 5% is spend on healthcare, 5% spend on public transport, and 5% is spend on public housing.

    Compared this to the HUGE chunk of "security" budget. Interesting huh, probably it is because we pay most of the healthcare, public transpost and housing ourselves.

    Seriously, the army should reinvent themselves and earn some money themselves like maybe hire themselves as bodyguards. Like that have good training and earn some pocket money and save some of the tax payers money
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    Quote Originally Posted by wind30 View Post
    http://www.singaporebudget.gov.sg/bu...Highlights.pdf

    interesting graph on page 28.

    It seems that only 5% is spend on healthcare, 5% spend on public transport, and 5% is spend on public housing.

    Compared this to the HUGE chunk of "security" budget. Interesting huh, probably it is because we pay most of the healthcare, public transpost and housing ourselves.

    Seriously, the army should reinvent themselves and earn some money themselves like maybe hire themselves as bodyguards. Like that have good training and earn some pocket money and save some of the tax payers money

    Since "outsourcing" to get a better price and utilizing "Foreign Talent (FT)" to stimulate the country seems like the main theme nowadays, lets apply the same to the Army.

    Hire Indian, Chinese and Bangladeshi nationals to serve in the military. Most of them seem to like wearing the Number 4 OK, OK just kidding....

    On a more serious note, the Gurkhas have been a famous mercenary force for a long time. Singapore uses them. That's an example of "outsourcing". They may cost less than conscripting a Singaporean. Think of the economic contribution that Singaporean male may have made over the 2 - 2.5 years of time saved from National Service.

    Even the US is jumping on the band-wagon of "outsourcing" for the military. They are attempting to make up falling numbers in the recuitment offices by offering foreign nationals a "fast-track" to citizenship via military service.

    Just a though, but will probably never happen....

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    i agree fully to let the "FT" to serve NS. Every time I go to reservist always ask me how it is like to serve. Always making a joke about us. Knowing very well they are free from NS and IPPT and RT. Stop giving the so called "FT" an advantage over us.

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    That's because those sectors that are allocated 5% are self income generating. ie, the public pays most of it. I don't think this 5% includes subsidies.
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    Need to increase. 3.3 billion of ShinCorp stocks suddenly lose 2 billion ins paper value.

    left with 1.6 billion of value. thatt's excellent investment sight by temasek holding.

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    there were discussion about this spending on defence by quek soo beng and others in st recently.

    Quote Originally Posted by wind30 View Post
    http://www.singaporebudget.gov.sg/bu...Highlights.pdf

    interesting graph on page 28.

    It seems that only 5% is spend on healthcare, 5% spend on public transport, and 5% is spend on public housing.

    Compared this to the HUGE chunk of "security" budget. Interesting huh, probably it is because we pay most of the healthcare, public transpost and housing ourselves.

    Seriously, the army should reinvent themselves and earn some money themselves like maybe hire themselves as bodyguards. Like that have good training and earn some pocket money and save some of the tax payers money

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    you guys have no idea what you're rambling about. Defense budget is good. Spend more in defense, protect us from invaders. Spend more in defense and make our lives serving NS and ICT better.

    Defense budget is good

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanyewkay View Post
    you guys have no idea what you're rambling about. Defense budget is good. Spend more in defense, protect us from invaders. Spend more in defense and make our lives serving NS and ICT better.

    Defense budget is good

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    You work in the SAF?

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    'Outsourcing' the Army?

    In a case of war, u can't even protect ur ownself how can one expect others to protect u?

    In a battle, after expending all the rounds and leaving 1 grenade and the enemy's just 50m away from u and ur family members, would u think the FT would willingly kamikaze his own life for u & ur family?

    I've been reading up on WWII history & thinking on suicide bombers these days as well as the 'Special Attack Force' of the Imperial Navy which is popularly known as 'Kamikaze Pilots', makes me wonder what must a nation do as a single rallying force to induce such a fighting spirit that would strike fear even in ur enemies?

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    far from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    'Outsourcing' the Army?

    In a case of war, u can't even protect ur ownself how can one expect others to protect u?

    In a battle, after expending all the rounds and leaving 1 grenade and the enemy's just 50m away from u and ur family members, would u think the FT would willingly kamikaze his own life for u & ur family?

    I've been reading up on WWII history & thinking on suicide bombers these days as well as the 'Special Attack Force' of the Imperial Navy which is popularly known as 'Kamikaze Pilots', makes me wonder what must a nation do as a single rallying force to induce such a fighting spirit that would strike fear even in ur enemies?
    I believe they meant it as a joke.. dUh.. take it easy man..
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    Quote Originally Posted by bernardy4416 View Post
    You work in the SAF?
    if you are a Male Singaporean, sure work in SAF b4. But how loyal depend lah
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    Quote Originally Posted by yanyewkay View Post
    I believe they meant it as a joke.. dUh.. take it easy man..
    I believe so. Do I sound THAT serious? Goodness me, I think its time for me to loosen up a little.

    But still, in this day & age, I've been wondering abt where had the values of the old gone to? Taken over by money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    I believe so. Do I sound THAT serious? Goodness me, I think its time for me to loosen up a little.

    But still, in this day & age, I've been wondering abt where had the values of the old gone to? Taken over by money?
    1. 3rd - 4th Generation of kids being brought up by maids - "The Maid Phenomenon"
    2. 3rd - 4th Generation of kids who are not brought up by maids but brought up by parents who believe the only route to success in Singapore is to get straights As, get a degree and make money. Anything less is considered utter failure. Moral values, basic courtesy and ethics take a back seat.
    3. Thus leading to materialistic Singaporeans who only look out for themselves.

    Of course, this is not to say all Singaporeans are like this, but this accounts for a fair number (both young and old).

    Let's use an example: courteous Singaporeans. Do they exist? Yes they do. Are there many of them? No. Yesterday I was driving home, and I slowed my car down to allow a driver on the left to cut in front of me. What do I get for this? A taxi high beaming me from behind, then cutting in front of and flicking me off. Sometimes I really wonder what kind of country we live in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    'Outsourcing' the Army?

    In a case of war, u can't even protect ur ownself how can one expect others to protect u?

    In a battle, after expending all the rounds and leaving 1 grenade and the enemy's just 50m away from u and ur family members, would u think the FT would willingly kamikaze his own life for u & ur family?

    I've been reading up on WWII history & thinking on suicide bombers these days as well as the 'Special Attack Force' of the Imperial Navy which is popularly known as 'Kamikaze Pilots', makes me wonder what must a nation do as a single rallying force to induce such a fighting spirit that would strike fear even in ur enemies?

    You would be surprised. The Gurkhas have a very strong warrior code. It's in their culture. It's a great honour to serve as a mercenary. Read up on what they did in WW2, and how they were valued by their commanders and feared by their enemies. They are easily recognized by their "kukri" the curved combat knives they carry. Some even say that the "elite" in Singapore have Gurkha bodyguards.....dunno if that's true.

    For an individual to be prepared to sacrifice his/her life requires motivation. Motivation that can be achieved via propaganda (ie: doing it for the general good, fighting a great evil, etc...), personal beliefs, or a belief that life is no longer worth living.

    The suicide bombers in the Middle East do it because they believe that they are fighting the "Great Satan" (ie: USA) who is out on a Crusade against the Muslim world. Some have lost family members to the enemy and see it as a way of revenge (eg: the granny that blew herself up recently in the Middle East). Others are unfortunate victims of propaganda, used as pawns by puppet-masters who aim to further their political ambitions by sacrificing these "martyrs".

    The Japanese Kamikaze (Divine Wind) pilots did it in the belief that they could twart the US fleet from invading their homeland. Much like the Kamikaze that devastated the Mongol fleet that sought to attack Japan in the past. Their Emperor was highly respected at that time, and it was an honour to protect the motherland. Again, a country with a strong tradition of the Warrior Code (Bushido).

    To instill such a strong feeling of patriotism, one would need a population that REALLY believed in, and loved their country, and a strong sense of duty, honour and tradition. That comes with time, time which Singapore, being a relatively young country, does not have. Virtues which MAY be difficult to inclucate here, as Singaporeans seem to be fixated on the materialistic culture.

    Nowadays, we just use Cruise missiles....

    My personal opinion only....
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    Hiring Gurkhas for body guards are still common practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bernardy4416 View Post
    You would be surprised. The Gurkhas have a very strong warrior code. It's in their culture. It's a great honour to serve as a mercenary. Read up on what they did in WW2, and how they were valued by their commanders and feared by their enemies. They are easily recognized by their "kukri" the curved combat knives they carry. Some even say that the "elite" in Singapore have Gurkha bodyguards.....dunno if that's true.

    For an individual to be prepared to sacrifice his/her life requires motivation. Motivation that can be achieved via propaganda (ie: doing it for the general good, fighting a great evil, etc...), personal beliefs, or a belief that life is no longer worth living.

    The suicide bombers in the Middle East do it because they believe that they are fighting the "Great Satan" (ie: USA) who is out on a Crusade against the Muslim world. Some have lost family members to the enemy and see it as a way of revenge (eg: the granny that blew herself up recently in the Middle East). Others are unfortunate victims of propaganda, used as pawns by puppet-masters who aim to further their political ambitions by sacrificing these "martyrs".

    The Japanese Kamikaze (Divine Wind) pilots did it in the belief that they could twart the US fleet from invading their homeland. Much like the Kamikaze that devastated the Mongol fleet that sought to attack Japan in the past. Their Emperor was highly respected at that time, and it was an honour to protect the motherland. Again, a country with a strong tradition of the Warrior Code (Bushido).

    To instill such a strong feeling of patriotism, one would need a population that REALLY believed in, and loved their country, and a strong sense of duty, honour and tradition. That comes with time, time which Singapore, being a relatively young country, does not have. Virtues which MAY be difficult to inclucate here, as Singaporeans seem to be fixated on the materialistic culture.

    Nowadays, we just use Cruise missiles....

    My personal opinion only....
    A strong warrior code.

    What does it take to develop such a thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    A strong warrior code.

    What does it take to develop such a thing?
    Tradition.

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    Be it as it may, that all and sundry are all affected by the budget and the policies that drive our country forward, may i take this opportunity to gently remind one and all that any threads that has to do with such matter may be closed without any further notice.

    I seek your understanding in this matter please.

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn View Post
    A strong warrior code.

    What does it take to develop such a thing?
    lets begin with culture...

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