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    Quote Originally Posted by azul123 View Post
    And giving misinformation is also bad... taking it too personally? I couldn't care less what happens to him, now if I went after him that is taking it too personally, he is still around... so, Muslims have not taken it too personally... don't believe all that you read, hear and see from the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azul123
    Anyway, the topic is there was so much positive spin recently that economy was doing well...

    Do you think so? let's hear what you think on the topic not whether pay is linked with economic porgress and what not... that is a sidetrack issue.
    You were saying?

    I think Salman Rushdie counts as a sidetrack issue too, whether you go after him or not. What you want to do with your life, to put it frankly, is none of my business! But telling others to go back to the main topic, while making posts continuously about your apparent pet subject, would count as my business, since I was the person you told to go back on track, which I did; but you derailed it once again.

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    I pretty much LMAO whenever I read The States Times...my daily dose of amusement (and amazement...by their ability to SPIN). Just reading the 146th's spin makes me dizzy Look around you and gauge the economy's real performance for yourself.

    Anyway chat about SG politics make almost all sg-based forum owners nervous. Should bring this kind of discussion to another non .sg or non-sg-hosted forum...like that other famous ALFRESCO COFFEESHOP

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare View Post
    You were saying?

    I think Salman Rushdie counts as a sidetrack issue too, whether you go after him or not. What you want to do with your life, to put it frankly, is none of my business! But telling others to go back to the main topic, while making posts continuously about your apparent pet subject, would count as my business, since I was the person you told to go back on track, which I did; but you derailed it once again.
    So if I told you to go fly kite, you would? you gave me too much credit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by azul123 View Post
    So if I told you to go fly kite, you would? you gave me too much credit...
    Er, the point wasn't that I'm listening.

    The point was that you had a point in that the topic was going off-tangent, I listen, and then you do an about-face and derail it yourself. End of story. Good day!

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    hehehehe... good day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by azul123 View Post
    Then anyone can say what they like without having any merit to their words and put down one religion against another, there is going to be some repercussions whether we like it or not.

    In this case, it put a stop to Salman ever trying to do anymore mischief. Imagine if it was your religion and others putting it down without having any kind of knowledge... I don't think that will go down well with you.

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    Oh, since you want to side track...
    First thing first, the quote I'm referring to is "you never personalise, but you have absolutely no respect for people’s opinions. You are never rude to the person, but you can be savagely rude about what the person thinks". There is nothing religious about it. Yes, given the situation he is in, you may want to read it in another view. But as a statement itself, do you agree?

    2nd, I haven't read the book. Ok, lets say if someone blasphemise your religion, is it ok to kill or incite others to kill him? I disagree on this count. Imagine if it was my religion and others putting it down without having any kind of knowledge... it will not go down well with me but not to the extent of killing him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VSonic06 View Post
    I pretty much LMAO whenever I read The States Times...my daily dose of amusement (and amazement...by their ability to SPIN). Just reading the 146th's spin makes me dizzy Look around you and gauge the economy's real performance for yourself.

    Anyway chat about SG politics make almost all sg-based forum owners nervous. Should bring this kind of discussion to another non .sg or non-sg-hosted forum...like that other famous ALFRESCO COFFEESHOP
    I would say the economy is real good! Just look at how good the biz is for the cny goodies. Everything snap up! Only when people are optimistic do they go on a buying frenzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theonlyone View Post
    Yes, given the situation he is in, you may want to read it in another view. But as a statement itself, do you agree?
    How else do you read it? you must know the intent... just by focusing on words alone then you are trivialising it.

    Quote Originally Posted by theonlyone
    2nd, I haven't read the book. Ok, lets say if someone blasphemise your religion, is it ok to kill or incite others to kill him? I disagree on this count. Imagine if it was my religion and others putting it down without having any kind of knowledge... it will not go down well with me but not to the extent of killing him.
    Hey, didn't you read the forum rules? stay clear of religion and topics related to that. Now go fly kite..

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    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare
    You obviously have not read any of what I have written clearly. I, on the other hand, take whatever you write seriously, though I'm beginning to doubt whether I should, since the mutual respect is not there - it's a one way traffic street..)
    I DON'T ask any from you, I DON'T have any for you. It's an internet forum, It's the kopitiam, I don't take it all too seriously.

    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare
    Yeah yeah, and Salman Rushdie's still alive. But that's a null issue, it's like saying that a cancer patient finds out that he's got cancer in 1988, and then he goes for treatment in 2005! Perfect logic there, you know. I mean, perhaps the guy has a extremely delayed reaction that extends to 17 years, but shouldn't we give him the benefit of the doubt seeing how his works are at least remotely thought-provoking?
    Anybody's work can be "thought provoking" if it involves blasphemy, even cartoons. When I read into the quote, common sense will suggest that he is providing an excuse to shift the focus from himself to his work. He goes into hiding at the initial years, now he comes out from hiding and offers reasons to stay alive. It's a lousy quote to use when you consider the context in which it was made. A correction to your analogy, it is like a cancer patient has got cancer, and he is still undergoing treatment many years later. May I be evil enough to add, the difference between him and a cancer patient is that he probably deserves it.

    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare
    1) There are almost zero links, and they are few and far between. A rough relationship MAY be established in select cases, but even such relationships are not a direct proportion type - ie. there is a time lag between the economic situation IMPROVING and one's personal pay actually increasing at all. Then what, ST Index go up --> your personal pay go up isit? No right, not unless you're a speculator.?
    When you bring up the stock market into the discussion, it becomes painfully obvious that you have no clue about economics. i.e. you choose to use the STI as in instrument to illustrate your point. Maybe you should use the GDP inplace of the STI. STI is an index to represent the price movements of the certain shares, it may provide an indication of the direction of the economy because the economy and the main index is more often than not correlated, but it is definitely no means to measure the economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare
    2) I have mentioned that you are taking my argument out of context to serve your own means. Look at the very first statement I quoted. Now look at what you're saying now. It's simple. And in fact, if you put it back into context, your argument above regarding PM announcing this or that (amusing, one moment you seem to be on the side that the economic situation is not as glorious as it's painted out to be, and we should not believe the government; and the next you are quoting the government! GO DOUBLE STANDARDS!).. Simply refutes the very first post that our dear errant forumer made which sparked off this whole load of discussion, ie. he's saying that he doesn't see his pay increasing even though the economic situation is improving based on announcements.
    I have never referenced anything about the econimic situation to the government nor that we should not believe the government. I merely said that the cycle will be turning down towards a recession soon, these are economic cycles. Quote me to prove your point, that is if you can find any.

    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare
    Enough said. There will be no more from me regarding this matter; if I ever emigrate it will NOT be because of any governance issues per se, but rather the climate that Singaporeans themselves are generating - an extremely, extremely negative one which seeks misery, not happiness in life.
    Now you are generalising Singaporeans as negative. Maybe you are not aware about this, that the effect of using yourself as an example to illustrate your view only serves to diminish your intention. Very few people actually know you, so it does not matter when you leave Singapore.

    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare
    Out, for now. (Incidentally, you keep mentioning qualifications despite my imploration not to do so. So you have read Economics in university? From what you write here, my dear forumer, I sincerely doubt so.)
    Yes.

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    Simple, elegant solution which works just fine.

    Thanks for the suggestion, whoever mentioned the ignore function!


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    Am I supposed to feel jilted when you turned on the ignore function?

    It's final then, the economy has a knock on effect to your pay. If your purchasing power is not increasing when the economy is on the up, please feel free to discuss it here, your suggestions should not be branded as ludicrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parchiao View Post
    It's final then, the economy has a knock on effect to your pay. If your purchasing power is not increasing when the economy is on the up, please feel free to discuss it here, your suggestions should not be branded as ludicrous.
    Of course it does... whomever said that it isn't does not know what he's talking about. My guess is he's out to paint goody goody everything nice.

    In a small economy like ours.. the effects can be seen within two years or one year, even less depending on which sector you belong to.

    Anyway, we are not small children, got eyes and ears... just have to filter the right information for ourselves can't depend on 146th. to feed us the news.

    ../azul123

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    Quote Originally Posted by azul123 View Post
    Of course it does... whomever said that it isn't does not know what he's talking about. My guess is he's out to paint goody goody everything nice.

    In a small economy like ours.. the effects can be seen within two years or one year, even less depending on which sector you belong to.

    Anyway, we are not small children, got eyes and ears... just have to filter the right information for ourselves can't depend on 146th. to feed us the news.
    Rofl.

    Personal pay =/= pay.

    An appropriate analogy would be:

    small picture versus big picture

    On the whole, PAY (not personal pay , or an individual's pay) , or renumeration if you will, is LOOSELY linked to a country's economy. But there are only 8000 and even more factors in deciding an individual's pay, I suppose I do not have elaborate, oh wise adults who are experienced and far more perceptive beyond thy years; the argument which I put forth still applies.

    If individual A is in a company which is doing crappily despite the good economy, he will not have any pay increase. If individual B is in a company which is doing well despite the bad economy, he will have a pay increase.

    If you have not read my arguments closely from DAY ONE, I always stress the correct use of the term personal pay, not pay. This is not word play, there's a vast difference, I suppose Parjiao who has supposedly studied economics should know the difference but I'm not sure what's going on in his mind; perhaps stating that I am a kid lends more weight to his arguments.
    Quote Originally Posted by night86mare
    it's not maths
    a country's economy has got nothing to do with what an individual (who is living in THAT country) is getting for his pay!
    I rest my case. O what a comedy this is becoming. If this is what growing up is supposed to encompass, ie. a lofty attitude that you can get away with posting ridiculous garbage because of no other qualification other than age; take me away to Never never land. =)
    Last edited by night86mare; 19th February 2007 at 05:41 PM.

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    Its only the 2nd day of the lunar new year

    Chill out guys.

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    Very humorous

    "8000 and even more factors"

    "Personal pay =/= pay"

    "take me away to Never never land."

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    Happy New Year to everyone.

    Anyone can explain why a job of similar funtions and capacity attract different level of pay when given a different set of economy? For example, why is there wage differences for a machine operator working in Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azul123 View Post
    How else do you read it? you must know the intent... just by focusing on words alone then you are trivialising it.


    Hey, didn't you read the forum rules? stay clear of religion and topics related to that. Now go fly kite..

    ../azul123
    Oh well, just ignore me. You don't have to face your inner self if you don't want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryPigleT View Post
    Its only the 2nd day of the lunar new year

    Chill out guys.
    Yes yes, chill out please.
    This thread has degenerated. Taking out those irrelevant stuff, basically I think both sides are talking on different things.

    Parchiao: Economy has a high correlation with everyone's salary. So if the economy is good, salaries tend to increase. Very true indeed.

    Night86mare: But on a micro level, a person's salary depends on other factors too. Company performance may not be good even though economy is improves, individual's performance, boss dislike someone etc. So other factors should get a review if someone feels the pay is not increasing as much as they like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence Sky View Post
    Happy New Year to everyone.

    Anyone can explain why a job of similar funtions and capacity attract different level of pay when given a different set of economy? For example, why is there wage differences for a machine operator working in Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and China?
    I THINK it is the cost of living in a place and demand & supply of workers. Why cost of living? Because even if there are a lot a lot of workers, and say the cost to sustain oneself is $1/hr (bare minimum, no luxury), I think the company will find it hard to employ workers if it offer $0.20/hr even though there are a lot of people available to do the job around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parchiao View Post
    Very humorous

    "8000 and even more factors"

    "Personal pay =/= pay"

    "take me away to Never never land."


    I agree with you... very humorous. I learn new "English" today
    Last edited by kitkat; 19th February 2007 at 08:11 PM.

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